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Jedi Master/Fleet Admiral


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Maaruin
05.30.2012 , 03:21 PM | #11
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Perhaps, but lots of the stories involve a Jedi facing some sort of Dark Side event or person and that seems like part of the requirement to become a Knight.
Facing the Dark Side somehow of course. But in most cases it will probably be more like: meditating on some dark side teachings, visiting a dark side place or maybe studying a dark side holocron. I doubt the Jedi keep some imprisoned darksiders in their locker because they plan their trails like this.
There are some instances were "the Force guides the training" (=things don't go as planned) and this is where these things happen normally, I guess.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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VanorDM
05.30.2012 , 03:34 PM | #12
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and this is where these things happen normally, I guess.
Perhaps, but it seems for most Jedi, they end up facing some sort of Dark Jedi early on. But that might just be a indication of the Force having grander plans for them then a typical Jedi.

Either way, the point is, that Jedi are not in by any stretch of the imagination pacifists. They are all trained for combat and expected to fight when the time comes.

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Kaisernick
05.30.2012 , 03:40 PM | #13
jedi are granted the title general during wartime and pasawans commander.
as for fleet admiral remmember the dude is a yoda species he could allready be like 400 years old.

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Darth_Halford
05.30.2012 , 03:44 PM | #14
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And the Jedi are not exactly pacifists. They are guardians of peace and peace loving, yes. But if it comes to fight, they are very capable. The avarege Jedi has spent far more time with practicing with his lightsaber than the avarege soldier has spent practicing with blaster rifles.
Yes, but does the code not prohibit taking sides in, or participating in a war?

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Maybe you could compare it with a Marine becoming an Admiral in the Navy. i don't know if this has ever happen in reality, but in star wars they are more flexible about that. (And more flexible about weapons.)
There are cases in joint-ops where a General in the Marine Corps. may be in charge of Navy, Army, or Air Force personnel, but in order to be an Admiral, you have to be in the Navy. And there's only ever been five Fleet Admirals, all within the same two-year period (1944-1945)

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Not really no. Not when they're already have proven to have mastered the light saber. Why in the world would they want a Jedi to learn to fire a blaster when there is no need for them to use one. It's not like a blaster is somehow superior to a Lightsaber, or that a Jedi actually needs to use one.
To improve combat effectiveness and unit cohesion. It doesn't hurt to have the additional, standardized training that any other soldier recieves. Basic weapons handling and firing takes only a few days, additional training to improve skill would come as needed, just as it does now.

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It's also not like your typical Fleet Admiral is going to spend much time in a firefight.
True, but you still learn the skills. Wether you ever need to use it or not, the point stands that you have it if you do.
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Maaruin
05.30.2012 , 03:45 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaisernick View Post
jedi are granted the title general during wartime and pasawans commander.
as for fleet admiral remmember the dude is a yoda species he could allready be like 400 years old.
A little off topic: In this case Oteg's age can be almost figured out. When the smuggler says something to him, he says:

"Ah, the voice of youth. It has been 200 years now since I was in your age."

We don't know how long the youth for his species is. But him being between 200 and 300 years seems about right.

So as I said, I think he already was a Jedi Master when the Sith returned and became Fleet Admiral sometime during the last war.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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Darth_Halford
05.30.2012 , 03:48 PM | #16
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jedi are granted the title general during wartime and pasawans commander.
as for fleet admiral remmember the dude is a yoda species he could allready be like 400 years old.
That would mean that he was alive during the Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War, and following Dark Wars when the Sith Triumverate killed all Jedi but the Exile. Hell, he'd have even been a hundred at that point, so he probably would have been as noted as Vandar Tokare was at the time. In short, unlikely.
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VanorDM
05.30.2012 , 03:51 PM | #17
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Yes, but does the code not prohibit taking sides in, or participating in a war?
No, there's nothing in the Jedi code that prevents them from taking side in a war. In fact in every war that we know of the Jedi have taken sides at one point or another.

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And there's only ever been five Fleet Admirals, all within the same two-year period (1944-1945)
Don't try to use real life ranks and stats when you're talking about The Old Republic, because what we do or did simply doesn't mater in the least.

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It doesn't hurt to have the additional, standardized training that any other soldier recieves.
It would also be completely worthless to train a Jedi how to use a blaster when they would be reducing their abilities if they use one. They know full well the effective ranges and such of blasters, but being trained to use one would accomplish nothing. It would be no different then training a modern day solider how to fight with a broad sword.

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Maaruin
05.30.2012 , 03:55 PM | #18
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Yes, but does the code not prohibit taking sides in, or participating in a war?
Absolutly not. The Jedi have sworne loyalty to the republic. They serve the republic, it is something your master tells you early in your storyline.
They also are allowed to "use the force for defense", meaning defend themselves or others. They are allowed to participate in war if they are not the attacker.

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There are cases in joint-ops where a General in the Marine Corps. may be in charge of Navy, Army, or Air Force personnel, but in order to be an Admiral, you have to be in the Navy. And there's only ever been five Fleet Admirals, all within the same two-year period (1944-1945).
Yeah, as I said, the ranks are probably a little more flexible in Star Wars. But Oteg either was set free from his Jedi duties to serve as a Fleet Admiral or he was a joint-ops commander and just got all the fitting titles.
I also think Fleet Admirals in Star Wars are far more commen than in the Navy. We have a republic that spans hundreds or even thousands of star systems, each like at least a nation on its own.

Edit: Even here on earth, Fleet Admiral/Admiral of the Fleet is a normal rank in some some countries' navy. Russia for example.

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To improve combat effectiveness and unit cohesion. It doesn't hurt to have the additional, standardized training that any other soldier recieves. Basic weapons handling and firing takes only a few days, additional training to improve skill would come as needed, just as it does now.

True, but you still learn the skills. Wether you ever need to use it or not, the point stands that you have it if you do.
In Episode III Obi-Wan shoots General Grievous. So maybe he had this basic blaster training. It could be part of the Jedi training or it could be some kind of course offered by the military for the Jedi who are sent into the war.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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VanorDM
05.30.2012 , 04:02 PM | #19
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We don't know how long the youth for his species is. But him being between 200 and 300 years seems about right.
That would put his birth somewhere between 3,840 and 3,940 BBY, so he would of been born sometime just after the end of Old Sith Wars. He would of had to been a Jedi Master in the time of the Great Galactic War.

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Darth_Halford
05.30.2012 , 04:23 PM | #20
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Absolutly not. The Jedi have sworne loyalty to the republic. They serve the republic, it is something your master tells you early in your storyline.
They also are allowed to "use the force for defense", meaning defend themselves or others. They are allowed to participate in war if they are not the attacker.
Hmmm...I thought "I can only protect you, I can't fight a war for you" and "we can't use our powers to help her (The Queen)" was based around the Jedi Code.

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I also think Fleet Admirals in Star Wars are far more commen than in the Navy. We have a republic that spans hundreds or even thousands of star systems, each like at least a nation on its own.

Edit: Even here on earth, Fleet Admiral/Admiral of the Fleet is a normal rank in some some countries' navy. Russia for example.
Oh I have absolutly no doubt that they need more Fleet Admirals than we do. Makes perfect sense. However, there is still the need for Fleet Admirals to have actually gone through military training.

that position is more-so equivalent to the Chief of Navy Operations than it is to a Fleet Admiral Position. That said, Russia is interesting in that each fleet (Northern Fleet, Pacific Fleet, Black Sea Fleet, and the Baltic Sea Fleet) has different sets of platforms, doctrines, and so-on. For example, the Baltic Fleet is mostly the test-bed for Russia's new platforms, as well as collection operations on NATO.
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