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Republic characters - which has most scope for being believably "dark"

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Republic characters - which has most scope for being believably "dark"

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davanev
05.25.2012 , 06:31 AM | #1
Mostly played Empire so far as the Republic seems just too "nice" for me. I prefer my characters dark. Not actively evil but certainly not the stereotype hero. Which of the classes is easiest to play dark ? Not full on Ds but as a ruthless, unpleasant character ?

Are any of these possible

Consular - A DS leaning consular, arrogant and cold, out for personal power, hiding his true motivation from the order, and maybe even his companions. A potential Dark-Jedi on the rise.

Knight - Ruthless, win at any costs, not DS as such but coldly efficient and not caring who gets hurt in the crossfire.

Soldier - In this not for the Republic but because killing and blowing up stuff is fun - if he was an Imperial he would blow stuff up for them.

Smuggler - genuine criminal, credits first second and third, not a Han Solo wannabe. Maybe I will help the Republic, but only for the money and because the Empire would make earning a living harder.

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bright_ephemera
05.25.2012 , 06:56 AM | #2
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Knight - Ruthless, win at any costs, not DS as such but coldly efficient and not caring who gets hurt in the crossfire.
A vast proportion of the JK's Dark Side options are simply killing opponents. A few others are refusing to help the weak and helpless. "No loose ends" and "no redemption, because I don't believe people can change" are viable concepts to add to the "I don't care about collateral damage" attitude.

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Soldier - In this not for the Republic but because killing and blowing up stuff is fun - if he was an Imperial he would blow stuff up for them.
Trooper I haven't finished, but you can get a lot of Dark Side points by hiding your intentions from your allies, opening fire early for no good reason, and handing horrific weapons to the Republic instead of destroying them. You can be secretive, cruel, aggressive, and inclined to give your bosses more killing power - the last element is very significant in the Trooper line. It's hard to enjoy maximum destruction because you don't see most of those superweapons deployed, but you can have the time of your life with firefight after unprovoked firefight. Definitely a lot of potential for a dark, unpleasant person here.

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Consular - A DS leaning consular, arrogant and cold, out for personal power, hiding his true motivation from the order, and maybe even his companions. A potential Dark-Jedi on the rise.
Consular I can't speak for.

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Smuggler - genuine criminal, credits first second and third, not a Han Solo wannabe. Maybe I will help the Republic, but only for the money and because the Empire would make earning a living harder.
Smuggler can be a jerk. Extorting money from the vulnerable, killing rivals left and right - I played a money money money type who would, if the pay were equal, be kind...but who would sell her own mother for the extra credits...and I ended up at about 200 LS total; if I had been more willing to shed blood it would've been a different story. You can play a Smuggler very, very cold.
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05.25.2012 , 09:16 AM | #3
Straight up criminal Smuggler who cheats, lies, backstabs, and steals from everyone INCLUDING the Republic he's supposed to be helping would be the most believable, imo. The only reason he's there is because it's easier to bilk the Republic than the Empire.
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bright_ephemera
05.25.2012 , 09:33 AM | #4
I thought of another way to look at it that might help, in terms of what your questline makes you do:

The Jedi Knight serves the people. The Trooper serves the system. The Smuggler serves himself.

There are LS and DS variants, but the Knight can only progress the plot by protecting orphanages, the Trooper can only do it by achieving Republic objectives, and the Smuggler can only do it by...well, I guess grabbing the goods and staying alive are the only requirements. Make of that what you will.
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Gwena
05.25.2012 , 12:52 PM | #5
I have only finished Smuggler and Consular, both primarily lightside, but . . .

Smuggler: I think this class would be great if you wanted to play a character that is dark, but not stark raving evil. You can be all out for yourself and do bad things because it benefits you or just because you think it will be fun ("What a perfect excuse to blow things up" is a line you will get).

Jedi Consular: In the first act especially, the big dark side options seemed pretty pointless to me -- more chaotic evil than anything else.
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And this is a matter of opinion, but whenever I picked darker/less nice sounding conversation options, I cringed at how awful and/or silly the lines sounded. IMHO, the darker lines don't always seem to "fit" very well, though it could be just that the male voice does not work well for the darker lines. The female voice might work better.
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maxetius
05.29.2012 , 10:28 AM | #6
As Consular, you rack up a pretty decent body count of
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I rather enjoyed it. And unlike above poster who 'didn't see a point' well i was roleplaying. Which is kind of the idea. roflol

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05.29.2012 , 01:32 PM | #7
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As Consular, you rack up a pretty decent body count of
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I rather enjoyed it. And unlike above poster who 'didn't see a point' well i was roleplaying. Which is kind of the idea. roflol
I think it's kind of weak how you can do some really immoral stuff as a Consular, but the Jedi Council is just like, 'oh well!' or something.

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It's just that the JC can pretty easily reach batsh*t insane levels of evil, long past the point where you'd be kicked out of the order. I'd be fine with the evil level if it was believable, like all the horrible things you did it was possible from keeping the Council from finding out, you were disciplined at least, etc...

As for othe pub classes I've played, the Trooper can be a really good dark character. You don't necessary have to not care about the Republic. You can be a patriot who's willing to do just about anything for victory.
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iamthehoyden
05.29.2012 , 04:14 PM | #8
I mostly play LS characters, and I think I have the most DS points on my trooper. With DS trooper it's a combo of not showing mercy (I tend to kill evil guys, hence the DS points), taking bribes, and handing over weapons of mass destruction to the Republic military. You don't have too many options in terms of being anti-Republic, although there are a couple places where you can not follow orders. You kill a lot of traitors and people who might maybe be a threat to the Republic with DS choices. Basically a loose cannon hothead who's not adverse to making some money on the side.
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Chanez
05.29.2012 , 05:34 PM | #9
i found the trooper quite ruthless, though thats the only one i got past 12

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Maaruin
05.29.2012 , 05:47 PM | #10
I played my Consular dark in a way that seemed believable:

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So a dark-grey consular is possible and still realistic if you think about his backstory and thing about the decisions before taking them. Don't always take the dark option when it pops up. For example:

There is an NPC controlled by an evil Sith lord. You fight her and after the fight she asks you to kill her. Dark side option is:

"With pleasure." [Kill her.] - which makes no sense for the consular.

Take the neutral option and she explains something to you. Then asks again. Now you can say:

"Know that it gives me no pleasure to do this." [Kill her.] - which makes much more sense.


But if you want to go fully dark side, Trooper or smuggler suits you better, probably. The Jedi can make really interesting dark-grey characters though.
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