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Freshtech
05.24.2012 , 07:44 PM | #61
From what I've seen in-game and learned from the responses, I believe the answer is that most people struggled with learning the rules of grammar in elementary school and have painful memories of that time, and thus now enjoy the safety of the internet, where they can display their own ignorance in a consequence-free environment. Anyone who attempts to correct them hurts their self-esteem and is met with aggression. I know these instances are not simple typos but rather are real misunderstandings of English when I see repeated confusion over the different "its," "theres," and "wheres." This isn't nitpicking over little issues like forgetting to use commas or capitalizing "I," but rather a real ignorance around the meaning of these words. And I certainly wouldn't call mastery of these rules "elitism," since any 5th grader should know this stuff.

Besides a lack of understanding grammar, the responses reveal a lack of reading comprehension. The OP wanted to find out the answer to a question that bothered him (or her?); namely why would educated people make exceptions to following the rules of grammar when playing a game, if they use proper grammar in every other situation. Nobody really responded to this, but instead immediately attacked him for being a "Grammar Nazi." Do people not read? I don't know the answer to the question, but perhaps people feel restricted by the rules of grammar and feel that the internet is a place where it is socially acceptable to not abide by these rules.

And really, please stop with the TL;DR responses. Is it really so hard to read a post? If you have the time to hang around on a computer game forum, I'm sure you can take the time out of your fast-paced and busy life to at least skim the main points of a post.
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Ghost_Operative
05.24.2012 , 07:45 PM | #62
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krisknife
05.24.2012 , 07:46 PM | #63
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totally worth 5 minutes

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that's a good one too

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Alexi_son
05.24.2012 , 07:54 PM | #64
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Nobody really responded to this,
I've responded to him, and answered the question twice, as have a few others. The solution is that it's appropriate to talk to the audience you're addressing, in the level of formality or informality associated with the audience. The game is informal - therefore, the language rules associated are as well.

His question has been answered and re-answered, but he has refused to see or acknowledge it, instead becoming defensive. As such, nothing else can be done to help him when he doesn't acknowledge the responses to his question.

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Desiirea
05.24.2012 , 07:57 PM | #65
You know how some languages have formal and informal? I view gaming as an informal form of communication. I don't check my dictionary. I often use the wrong forms of a word in haste. I quite often do not use caps or punctuation. See I'm 36 and have a family. I've long ago finished school and now realize there are some more important things in life then crossing every single t and dotting every i. If someone wants to think they are better then me because they choose to... that's on them. I am here to just enjoy other people on a casual basis, not grade them on their grammar usage. If I can understand what they are saying without much effort and enjoy the company, that is all that is needed. Just my 2 cents on it.

Edit: I was born in 1975. We had a computer in the classroom when I was in 7th and 8th grade. In highschool we had computer labs and did many papers there. In fact, I was the first person in my school's freshman typing class to use a computer while everyone else in the class was still using standard typewriters. TBH using an oldschool typewriter is less forgiving then a computer as corrections were a pain in the rearend. The next quarter everyone was at a computer. Your information is a little off.
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Ellyria
05.24.2012 , 08:05 PM | #66
If people do not want to use proper grammar/spelling/punctuation, I don't care, that's they're business, but it also means there's a greater chance that I'm going to skip whatever it is they wrote. Too often I see one huge block of text in a post and wonder how I'm supposed to read it without my eyes going bugger, so I don't bother read it. I'm more forgiving with in-game chat, if someone doesn't use capitalization or punctuation for one sentence it's not a big deal as long as I understand what they're saying.
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MajorVan
05.24.2012 , 08:07 PM | #67
You have to remember this is all being posted on the internet. Which people from all over the world are typing. Everyone has different rules even for the English language. English isn't always the primary language for most people. Also, some people are attempting to type mid fight to give orders to those around them. You also have people who are dyslexic like myself. If i'm tired, my typing get horrible. I have to concentrate a lot harder then most people when i read and type. It's not something you grow out of, its something that I have to deal with. I get poked fun by the grammar Nazi's all the time. But i don't care. They don't realize that i struggle, but at least I try my best.

You could also blame the american school system for a lot of the grammar issues.

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superpeanuts
05.24.2012 , 08:08 PM | #68
I took a class about anthropology that had a unit on linguistic anthropology. From that I learned that what you or anyone considers “proper” grammar today will be “improper” grammar some day. It’s only a matter of time, one generation, two, three and you will barely recognize the language. The evolution of language is completely natural and it makes no sense to try and stifle the organic emergent changes that are inevitable.

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Kaskali
05.24.2012 , 08:09 PM | #69
Reading through this thread depresses me.

I care greatly about this matter because I believe that differential literacy is one of the primary drivers of the class stratification we all see taking place around us. I know that sounds like a really bold claim, but bear with me.

I have spent most of my life in an academic environment. After college I went to law school and then graduate school. I taught university classes for couple years. I have been coaching high school debate for around fifteen years, and I coached collegiate debate for a few years in grad school. I have worked with debaters from a variety of different backgrounds at several different types of schools.

I have observed three things:

1. It seems that fewer and fewer young people have strong written communication skills. This should come as no surprise to anyone here.
2. The writing skills of my public high school students run the gamut from incredibly strong to pitifully weak. Across the board, my students at competitive private high schools show apt skill in written communication.
3. Without exception, the people I know who achieve the societally-venerated benchmarks of academic/professional success, the ones who I feel certain will do very well for themselves in life, are those with strong written communication skills.

Without exception, the students I know who have gone to ivy league schools are those with excellent written communication skills. I have known some bright kids who were not good at communicating in writing, but none of them ever ended up at Dartmouth. I do not know where all my college students ended up, but all those I do know who went off to professional schools had excellent written communication skills. Every single student of mine who I know ended up in law school or business school or medical school had strong written communication skills. The same is true of all my law school classmates, for that matter. I had a student who won a competition for an enormous grant to start her own nonprofit venture. She was easily one of the best writers I have worked with, and I am sure that played a large part in her ability to put together a winning grant proposal.

Maybe you do not care about any of this. Maybe you never aspired to go to an ivy league school. Maybe you think that people who correct others' homophone use are snobs. Well, here is why it matters:

Whether you aspire to these things or not, they are overwhelmingly seen as good foundations for a life of financial security and success.

What I find particularly troubling is the circularity that I see between these two things. I feel increasingly like the socioeconomic stratification in our society mirrors and contributes to our differential levels of literacy. I see kids from well-off families who go to exclusive private schools leaving with skills that will allow them to do whatever they want in life. I also see kids at public high schools who are really bright, but far too few of them develop the skills that will allow them to succeed in life. If your law school admissions essay uses numerals in place of prepositions, the committee is just going to laugh and throw it out. Even the manager at the local Best Buy wants to hire someone literate enough not to use apostrophes to pluralize words, lest they find themselves with a makeshift sign telling customers that "Samsung's are sold out."

I envision a society thirty years from now that is significantly more stratified with significantly less room for upward social mobility, where most of the population is borderline illiterate (if you prefer, we could call it something friendlier like "internet literate") and all the doctors and lawyers and investment bankers come from the class of wealthy, fully literate people who went to private schools; a class mostly made up of the children of the literate students I see off to prestigious colleges and professional schools today.

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SajmanPeetee
05.24.2012 , 08:10 PM | #70
No

id rather play wit a person tat is respectfull and types in tis manner

As opposed to say,

You're terrible newb! L2P *bleeping* *bleep*bads!?!!!