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The layoffs have me confused more then anything else. Help?

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Jett-Rinn
05.24.2012 , 08:09 AM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Leggomy View Post
The QA jobs CRM and project manager jobs were all listed within the last couple of weeks according to the website. Seems like they want QA people just not the ones they laid off. Makes me think they were not performing and they decided to try some new blood. Seriously the patches lately have been pretty buggy I dont blame them.
This I will agree with 1.2 was a mess bug wise, the old companion lightsaber bug from beta is back and all of the sound issues?

Yeah I could see the powers that be stepping in and saying enough is enough.

If folks really want the game to improve (and are not just hanging out to spew hate) this is probably a move in the right direction.
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Alkiii
05.24.2012 , 08:15 AM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Leggomy View Post
The stock market trended down. The entire thing. So now star wars is causing all stocks to tank? Do you even listen to yourself? The stock was on a downward trend long before SWTOR even came out. Just recently they announced these numbers and layoffs which have no even had time to affect the cost. Man PLEASE do us a favor and take an economics class.
“I think that certainly ‘Star Wars’ is a big part of the stock gains and the improved sentiment for EA,” said Colin Sebastian, game analyst with Robert W. Baird. (December 2011)

"“In terms of the quarter, they met expectations,” said Colin Sebastian of Robert W. Baird, adding “but I don’t think anyone was expecting a 400,000 decline in ‘Star Wars’ subscribers.” (May 2012)

"The results from “Star Wars: The Old Republic” — as well as a disappointing forecast for the current fiscal year — help send the videogame publisher’s shares down more than 5%." (May 2012)



You're right, Star Wars: The Old Republic had absolutely nothing to do with share value.
“When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep ... not screaming like the passengers in his car.”

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Leggomy
05.24.2012 , 08:17 AM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Alkiii View Post
“I think that certainly ‘Star Wars’ is a big part of the stock gains and the improved sentiment for EA,” said Colin Sebastian, game analyst with Robert W. Baird. (November 2011)

"“In terms of the quarter, they met expectations,” said Colin Sebastian of Robert W. Baird, adding “but I don’t think anyone was expecting a 400,000 decline in ‘Star Wars’ subscribers.”

"The results from “Star Wars: The Old Republic” — as well as a disappointing forecast for the current fiscal year — help send the videogame publisher’s shares down more than 5%."



You're right, Star Wars: The Old Republic had absolutely nothing to do with share value.
Oh please thats all people who are simply assuming. First off SWTOR had nothing to do with any stock market rise or fall as far as EA stock goes. Its just that simple. Just because some guy in a blog says it is so doesnt make it so.

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Leggomy
05.24.2012 , 08:18 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Jett-Rinn View Post
This I will agree with 1.2 was a mess bug wise, the old companion lightsaber bug from beta is back and all of the sound issues?

Yeah I could see the powers that be stepping in and saying enough is enough.

If folks really want the game to improve (and are not just hanging out to spew hate) this is probably a move in the right direction.
I love this game. I have no issues except the fact I cannot find others to do group content with. That and they seemed to be quite bad at testing new patches. The launcher while working fine for me is a disaster for others. A lot of people cannot even install the game and are given refunds.

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Alkiii
05.24.2012 , 08:29 AM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by Leggomy View Post
Oh please thats all people who are simply assuming. First off SWTOR had nothing to do with any stock market rise or fall as far as EA stock goes. Its just that simple. Just because some guy in a blog says it is so doesnt make it so.
And if you think that stock prices rise and fall with no influence, you're sadly mistaken.

The layoffs are a sign that things aren't as good as they want them to be. If they are restructuring and hiring in new people to help fix this mess, then here's what I think will start from here on out:

The new hires will need to be brought up to speed on the game's engine and everything associated with the game. This will take time to do. This will cause delays in patches and new content. This is something that the game simply cannot afford right now. Time is of the essence here. If they don't get things going, they stand to lose a lot more subscriptions. Not because of the product becoming better, but because consumers will become impatient.

The more subs this game loses, the less resources EA will want to commit to continuing it.

At the end of the day, for me, it's too little, too late ... the damage has been done. EA should not be in the MMO business.
“When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep ... not screaming like the passengers in his car.”

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Leggomy
05.24.2012 , 08:33 AM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Alkiii View Post
And if you think that stock prices rise and fall with no influence, you're sadly mistaken.

The layoffs are a sign that things aren't as good as they want them to be. If they are restructuring and hiring in new people to help fix this mess, then here's what I think will start from here on out:

The new hires will need to be brought up to speed on the game's engine and everything associated with the game. This will take time to do. This will cause delays in patches and new content. This is something that the game simply cannot afford right now. Time is of the essence here. If they don't get things going, they stand to lose a lot more subscriptions. Not because of the product becoming better, but because consumers will become impatient.

The more subs this game loses, the less resources EA will want to commit to continuing it.

At the end of the day, for me, it's too little, too late ... the damage has been done. EA should not be in the MMO business.
Ok so instead of tryoing to backup your argument you simply say the same things you have been saying all along. Lovely how you ignore EA stock lost 15% of its value before SWTOR was ever released. Continued to lose value even before any of this stuff about losing subs or layoffs was announced. I know people who play this game think it is the center of the universe but it is not. Its not even in the top 5 EA titles. ME3 was a bigger debacle than SWTOR and probably had a LOT more to do with the stock tanking than SWTOR ever did. That and console gaming is in a lull most companies like EA are seeing stocks drop. Not to mention the entire market has had losses everyday for the past couple of weeks. Down from over 13,000 to barely above 12,000 now.

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Kaisernick
05.24.2012 , 08:41 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by WaveRun View Post
SWG was the greatest game on earth and SOE did a splendid job on the game while it lasted. Anyone who states otherwise is delusional.
clearly u missed the point interialy
when SWG was realised some fan cried out that the game needed to change, so they did and as a result they alinated more of their customers (which ironicaly were the ones happy with its current condition)

the argument is that people who call for change seem to forget that even if they did change TOR it may not change to what they want, and could alienate more of their fan base.

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Monoth
05.24.2012 , 08:41 AM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Iskareot View Post
Here is the thing... first off-- anytime someone loses a job in this project so soon, there is NOT a positive spin to it. Unless the people were names and people we never seen or heard from , then it would not be so bad to the extent those would have been predicted and launch team temp only.
This is different, this is part of the team that made it what they have now... or lucky to have now perse. Sadly seeing Reid lose his job is one that should make you go.. "Crap".... that was a guy that was knee deep in it for us and the product.

This is cutting losses and nothing more. They are now removing people down to a viable core to keep the product going.

UNDERSTAND, I love the product and would not post this if I was not worried. I dumped a lot of time and fun into this product and it is having issues too soon. Do not think once that those people that are gone now did not care about the game, us or the product. Trust me they did... they helped make it. (With direction) of course.

This is the nature of the beast sadly and no good will come from it. Sure, things can change, but as far as "GOOD" perse I do not see it as true.

Isk -

I have to disagree with you, they already said NO Dev got fired or laid off.... It was mostly programmers and artists and PR personnel.... Reid sucked IMO, all he did was post from his personal twitter account, rarely ever saw him on the official forums posting where he should of been...

My guess is the people they cut were people screwing up the patches and not doing their job properly..... Look at 1.2 my sound has been messed up ever since that patch came out and several weeks later my sound is still jacked up.... They had some really bad programmers, don't blame Bioware for wanting to get rid of them and hire some more competent people.

Now if SWTOR had been problem and bug free then I would agree with what you said above, but the fact is every time they fix one item they break 20 others.... Someone had to be fired for these massive mistakes.... IMO there trying to get a more solid crew who will make less mistakes...

EDIT: also you would have to think there was a lot of massive hiring in order to try and get this game out by the deadline, now that the game has been out for awhile they probably need to trim down the team.
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Alkiii
05.24.2012 , 09:13 AM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by Leggomy View Post
Ok so instead of tryoing to backup your argument you simply say the same things you have been saying all along. Lovely how you ignore EA stock lost 15% of its value before SWTOR was ever released. Continued to lose value even before any of this stuff about losing subs or layoffs was announced. I know people who play this game think it is the center of the universe but it is not. Its not even in the top 5 EA titles. ME3 was a bigger debacle than SWTOR and probably had a LOT more to do with the stock tanking than SWTOR ever did. That and console gaming is in a lull most companies like EA are seeing stocks drop. Not to mention the entire market has had losses everyday for the past couple of weeks. Down from over 13,000 to barely above 12,000 now.
Right before SWTOR was released, EA stock rose to its highest levels in 3 years. I made a nice chunk of change on it. Guess you missed that part.

If SWTOR has no influence whatsoever, why in the hell do analysts keep talking about it in EA share value discussions?

If SWTOR has no influence whatsoever, why in the hell is EA talking about it with their share holders?
“When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep ... not screaming like the passengers in his car.”

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Leggomy
05.24.2012 , 09:36 AM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Alkiii View Post
Right before SWTOR was released, EA stock rose to its highest levels in 3 years. I made a nice chunk of change on it. Guess you missed that part.

If SWTOR has no influence whatsoever, why in the hell do analysts keep talking about it in EA share value discussions?

If SWTOR has no influence whatsoever, why in the hell is EA talking about it with their share holders?
Just because you keep screaming doesnt mean it makes your "facts" true. EA talks about ALL its stuff with shareholders because it is required to by law. They didnt JUST talk about swtor in fact they totally downplayed it as not even in the top 5 money makers for the company. They talked about it in passing because they are required to. It does not have any effect on the stock price. Its simple economics 101.

Also if you look here: http://www.stocknod.com/ERTS-Electro...ck-prices.aspx

It shows your "fact" it was at a 3 yr high right before swtor came out is false. If you look at the past 3-4 years on that chart it keeps hovering around 19 a share with spikes up to 35 at one point in 2010.