The layoffs have me confused more then anything else. Help?

How can you possibly justify discriminating against one category of people that have paid the exact same amount of money for a service as another category? i.e recurring subscription not cancelled and recurring subscription cancelled whist both still active

the forum mods are actually pretty good at nerfing the real trolls and herding the general nay sayers into single threads per topic.

You honestly think that my supposition that EA/BW would not introduce something that could negatively effect their stated subscriber numbers in order that kids like you could post your regurgitated BS on a forum as that is more important than their shareholders is me wearing a tinfoil hat?

Your not getting it are you? I am speaking about unsubbers with active accounts not free 30 day people

You gotta be kidding me you truly believe this has 1.3 million active subscribers and majority is paying, you sure your not on something? The fact is they had more than 25% loses but didnt want to admit it and found way around it by the freemonths and counting the inactive subscribers whom had the longer month trials. The game is almost dead layoffs are happening and reasignments to other projects, FTP is being discussed right now.

I'm going by the info in the shareholders' materials and the actions of the company. If you've got a valid source for your numbers, please provide it.

The bad publicity is now rolling in, the value has dropped by almost half, yet you have the audacity to sit here and say that SWTOR didn't have anything to do with any of it?

Your going by nonsense made up by a company whom has lied before, you think at top end of money making they are honest, they bend the truth as often as they can get away with it. Your going by your own asumptions thinking your clever but denying the reality of the games state itself, there is not even 400k people playing this game right now actively, you have case of denial and if you want to understand why people know they lied about the 25% do your own homework.

I have the audacity to claim that correlation does not imply causation and, moreover, that you have no evidence whatsoever that the declining stock price has anything to do with SWTOR. To make that claim you would have to, for one thing, explain why a product that represents only ~5% of EA's revenue accounts for 50% of its share value. Further, if SWTOR is the driver behind EA's share price, you would have to explain why EA's share price went from $53 in May 2008 to $15 by December 2008 – events which clearly have nothing to do with SWTOR.

Funny how you decided to put your responses in the quote box instead of, say, copying the quote tags. Now the only thing that shows up when you click "quote" is the above sentence.

I am not a proffessional forum user, correct use of all quoting options has never been my strong point, I am a slightly different generation to you

Anyway, I'll go ahead and reply to any substantive remarks you made.



I'm not discriminating the distribution of the service itself, only access to a particular forum. BSN, for example, reserves posting in the forum that allows for spoilers for those who have registered their purchased copy of the game. Frankly, I think agreeing to continue subscribing to a service would be worth more than cancelling your subscription, and it's not like you'd be banned from posting on forums completely. In essence, it would create an extra separate forum for those currently subscribing and who have more current (and different) issues to discuss about the game.

I obviously understand what you want, I am simply stating that you cannot have that in the current set up, If you truly want a seperate forum for just discussing such stuff without the interruptions of disaffected paying customers then maybe the solution would be to pay a premium for this thus differentiating yourself from those people

I count 2 threads about the layoffs, 3 about server mergers and server populations, 3 about the success/failure of the game on the first page alone. Every single thread has at least one if not several posts where someone complains or makes a doomsday prediction, even in a thread titled 'Pazaak'. On the developer posts, like the one for the 1.3 feature preview video, it's difficult to get any questions or concerns discussed (such as my question about info concerning when 1.3 would hit the Public Test Server) get drowned in doomsday predictions and other complaints. This is NOT a functioning general forum. All I'm suggesting is a measure that would organize the posts so that we could have a functioning general forum for the average user rather than this cluster****.

I am not saying it's perfect but I dont feel it is as bad as you state

As I said, it would inherently be more complicated from a logistical standpoint to make a custom response to each individual cancellation than it would to take a one-size-fits-all approach to the matter. If they decided to do so, they'd have to spend more time to handle each cancelled subscription than they would otherwise, and that translates to increased operating costs. Take this in hand with the fact that the majority of the 1.3 million are currently paying subscribers, and it seems unlikely that they would be doing so to pad their numbers. They wouldn't get much benefit from doing this, and the other reason (logistics & cost) seems more likely. The tinfoil hat line was a joke about how you continued to insist that EA was doing so to pad their subscriber numbers even after this discussion. I'm sorry if I offended you that much.

I am not insisting anything just suggesting that my rationale is probably more likely than yours in the real world. I was not offended by the tinfoil hat comment just amused by your condescending manner

And you're not getting what I'm saying- from the standpoint of the subscriber count, those who have trials and game time from cancelled subscriptions are counted as essentially the same group, especially when they were emphasizing the percentage of those who had "active paying subscriptions" versus those who were not. But hey, if you can cite a valid source that says they count cancelled subscriptions as "active paying subscriptions", please provide it.

I would ask you to quote the source that categorically states that active accounts from cancelled subscriptions do not count towards the 1.3 million number because I seriously doubt this and as one of those I would have issue if it was the case (I can play this game till late august btw)

By the way, you might want to leave the insults at home. If that's the best you have, you're not going to accomplish much of anything

[B]That was just a joke on my part (if you mean the comments that you did not quote) sorry if it offended you
As for insults? I can actually be very good at those but there would be no point as a moderator would just delete them[B]

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