John Riccitiello - "Realistically, TOR's a solid success."

Again, if there were three average at say 170 three months ago that is 510 live. Now even if you have two shards at 130 you are talking a total of 260 live. That is almost a 50% drop. Big difference.

Again, I was fortunate to land on Jedi Covenant, which is one of the most populated PvE. Three shards were extremely common in fleet back in January. However, now it is always only on one shard. Population in one shard is still okay, but to go from three shards to one and 175 average a shard to 130 average on one shard is a much bigger drop than 24%. Still playable on one shard, yes, but also a much bigger population decline that 24%.

Also, as far as not looking past my own server... I am on one of the most populated servers... the sheer volume of threads of people asking for server transfers is enough to say my server is the GOOD example. If I'm on the good example, don't need to look further than that as it's clear most of the other servers are in much worse shape than Jedi Covenant.

Guess I'm just not as quick to call anyone a liar without some pretty solid empirical evidence.

Since you insist.... here is population tracking across all servers across all shards.

US: http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us

EU: http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu

AP: http://www.torstatus.net/shards/apac

Set scale to go all the way from December to now. It is a LOT more than 25% - actually more like 40%-60%. Only AP is better because game is still only three months there and on only three servers.

Oh, I've been keeping an eye on that. I don't agree with it all, and definitely don't think it's 100% accurate, as I've noticed some discrepancies myself. There were several times when my server went HEAVY for several hours, but it never showed up on there.

Personally, after transfers, I think it really won't matter. Even if there's only 500k, and the servers feel full, what more could you want?

Is it because I'm drunk and stoned or is this Wayshuba guy not making any sense and using words out of context?

Guess I'm just not as quick to call anyone a liar without some pretty solid empirical evidence.

Since you insist.... here is population tracking across all servers across all shards.

US: http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us

EU: http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu

AP: http://www.torstatus.net/shards/apac

Set scale to go all the way from December to now. It is a LOT more than 25% - actually more like 40%-60%. Only AP is better because game is still only three months there and on only three servers.

Oh, I've been keeping an eye on that. I don't agree with it all, and definitely don't think it's 100% accurate, as I've noticed some discrepancies myself. There were several times when my server went HEAVY for several hours, but it never showed up on there.

Personally, after transfers, I think it really won't matter. Even if there's only 500k, and the servers feel full, what more could you want?

I don't want anything. My server and guild still can play regularly, even with groups, flashpoints and raids. I'm having fun and logging in pretty much daily. I'm just stating that I don't believe, however, that the game still has 1.3 million active players. I do, believe, that 500k-600k is probably closer to reality though and, if PvP and server transfer issues aren't addressed relatively soon, that number is going to go even lower than that.

My biggest concern, in all honesty, is that 500k should be fine for any MMO to keep going, even with regular content updates. But for a big corporate behemoth like EA who sunk a ton of money into the development of this title, that may not be okay for them and this game will go into a similar support mode as WAR. EA kind of does have that reputation you know....

What happened to “Guess I'm just not as quick to call anyone a liar without some pretty solid empirical evidence”? Seems like you are quite quick to do so when you don’t agree with the empirical evidence provided.

I do not dispute that your experience is different than Wayshuba’s, or that you have formed a different and valid opinion. I just need to point out the blatant hypocrisy in your argument. Please don’t throw around those kinds statements when you are going to do that very same thing yourself in your next post.

The thing is you were doing a great job laying out the reasons for your point of view…and then you threw it away with cheap hyperbole …

This was becoming an interesting thread with actual debate on the merits of the argument…oh, well.

They're the Walmart of the industry. They made their reputation the American way: Step 1: monopolizing a field that requires neither innovation nor imagination (console sports games) but must run on a rigid, regular release timetable to ensure maximum profitability. Step 2: Slowly consume smaller companies in related fields until your company is even more of a bloated, soulless monopoly. The rest of what once made them "artful" has long since fallen away once they started applying their cutthroat business models in the late 90s.