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What's the difference with the new group finder when it's not cross-server?

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What's the difference with the new group finder when it's not cross-server?

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Arnstein
05.23.2012 , 06:43 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Kindara View Post
You do know they start server transfers..Free ones the day the tool goes live right? Transfers + LFG tool = better chances at getting a group without having to stand on fleet yelling for group bored out of your mind.

Regarding server transfers: Will this split up your legacy? Because my server is good for imperial, but bad for republic, so then I have to level my legacy cross-server. And when you can (IF you can) level your legacy cross-server, then why not cross-server flashpoints as well? For those who don't want it they can make an option to ONLY search your own, or specific servers.

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Vankris
05.23.2012 , 06:58 AM | #22
it only take 4 people willing to start a flashpoint to trigger a flashpoint. Even on low pop server, you can certainly find 4 people anywhere on the universe, not just on the fleet willing to run a flashpoint.
I really never understood why you think cross server means faster grouping.

We have a real example: WoW

In wow, finding a group for a dungeon is usually 40 minute to an hour for a DPS, despite the fact that the LFG is cross server. Do you really believe if blizzard would extend their LFG to multiply by 10 for exemple the pool of player the queue will be faster?

Comparatively, the queue is instant for tank player. when blizzard introduce some kind of bribe (satchel of exotic mysteries) to encourage tank to run more dungeon, the queue for DPS went down to 15-20 minutes

The waiting time for group formation is not dependant on population, past a certain cap, but on the relative distribution of role. Even on low pop server, you have a few dozen of player willing to start a flashpoint, not necessarly on the same planet.

That being said, i don't see SWTOR having the same tank imbalance as wow, plenty of tank around, especially during the leveling process.


What will reduce queue time for flashpoint is not cross server. It's not strongly dependant on server population, it's at the core of the group formation, dependant on role distribution, you need 1 tank, 1 heal, 2 dps. Deviate from this and you increase queue time

I tell you what will lower queue time for flashopint (and operation): Double spec!
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uniz
05.23.2012 , 08:06 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Hergul View Post
Arnstein, so your not only wanting your views but ur are trying to enforce them with threatening to end your subscription if you dont get what you want ?

How extremly naiv and very unmature of you but because its you we must all now bow down and accept YOUR wishes since you will stop subsciribing cause you are not getting what YOU want ..

i cant belive im reading what some people have posted on this forum about LFG and server wide LFG. If bioware took 1 look at what happened with the game we wont name when they introduced LFG systems that where server wide or even just on the server you where on, they would actually reconsider their choice, cause quite frankly the community went down alot (statisticly proven) of people actually communicating saying hello or speaking to eachother in an group.

the most uttered words since LFG was (in no direct ranking order)

*** you noob u got greens

Dude you suck

How much dps do you do ?

Healer your ***** you suck

Dude **** leave the group ur so ****

and not to mention the loot rage´s and D-heads:

Oh look my companion uses light armor and i dont give a **** if you need it for ur main playable character that you qued up with for this flashpoint cause im taking it for my companion now ****

Or the other answer:

I need the Heavy armor piece (even though i wear light) cause i need money im poor ! i dont care if u actually can use the item cause its now mine so i can make credits

All im saying is maybe bioware should reconsider their LFG system untill they can come up with a solution to these problems in a system like that ..
you cant be more right

rift added a lfd which was just horrendous for its first month or so until a few issues when ironed out.

such issues were but not limited to

people would just kick you from a group when thier guildy finally logged on and wanted in.

everyone would roll need on items and then want to sell it to you before the 30 min trade grace period was up for bop items.

guildies in a group would use the 30 min bop trade grace period by all rolling need and trade it amoung themselves.

rage quits was the norm (sometimes this was justified)

usually the better players especially tanks and healers didnt need this feature to get groups making dps wait even longer for one.

new players were greatly mistreated like in your post

i can see in this game how a cross server lfg would be just a nightmare unless certain pitfalls are not implemented. as i for one would be pissed if i got kicked just before the last boss that drops columi just so thier guildy or a alt could get a easy piece of gear preventing me from completing my daily or weekly.

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RachelAnne
05.23.2012 , 08:19 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by uniz View Post
you cant be more right

rift added a lfd which was just horrendous for its first month or so until a few issues when ironed out.

such issues were but not limited to

people would just kick you from a group when thier guildy finally logged on and wanted in.

everyone would roll need on items and then want to sell it to you before the 30 min trade grace period was up for bop items.

guildies in a group would use the 30 min bop trade grace period by all rolling need and trade it amoung themselves.

rage quits was the norm (sometimes this was justified)

usually the better players especially tanks and healers didnt need this feature to get groups making dps wait even longer for one.

new players were greatly mistreated like in your post

i can see in this game how a cross server lfg would be just a nightmare unless certain pitfalls are not implemented. as i for one would be pissed if i got kicked just before the last boss that drops columi just so thier guildy or a alt could get a easy piece of gear preventing me from completing my daily or weekly.
Well said, its not the basic idea of a LFG that is bad - its the execution like shown by Blizz at wow and at Rift. Horrible 2 LFG´s that ruined the game for so many casuals and they are still a majority. Those 3 mio sub´s that wow lost, are most likely not of hardcores but of casuals who dont have fun beeing insulted, kicked or be robbed.

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Vankris
05.23.2012 , 08:27 AM | #25
i agree with you, wow has had to go through several iteration of their LFG system and they still have major complain, especially with LFR. Right now, the LFG system of wow is etremely complex because of that, let me give you some exmaple.

- you cannot need on other type of armor, for example a paladin cannot need in intel mail.
- you cannot kick people, it's a vote
- if you have initiate a kick, you cannot initiate another one for 2 hours
- if you leave the group you cannot re queue for 30 min, you if you want out, you have to get kicked, thus going afk waiting for a kick.
- If you have 3 guild member in the group, you need at least 4 vote yes to kick someone.
- if you have 4 guild member and a pick up, you cannot kick him, ever.

LFR has more restriction
Mist of Pandaria, they will completely overhaul their loot system again

It's somethin, they can't seem to get right. It's tough. The big issue is of course the amount of anonimity in cross server LFG. In same server LFG, you would hope that player will mostly moderate or police themselves so these issue might be reduced.
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Calsidian
05.23.2012 , 09:22 AM | #26
I play on Ajunta Pall, which is one of the more populated servers, and I can tell you that I don't have much trouble getting a group together for Hardmodes currently. I've also made several friends through the process which has helped strengthen my sense of server community. With the addition of the LFG Tool it will be even easier as you will be reaching more potential players (i.e. not just those sitting around in Fleet), and it will provide rewards for using the tool.

So, what's my point? If the server transfers work as intended and create more populated servers such as mine, the tool will end up being effective while still fosturing server community.

Lets at least give the upcoming changes a chance before declaring them impotent. At this point, you're basing all your assumptions on the current state of the population. That current state could change, and with it everything else.
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Arnstein
05.23.2012 , 10:29 AM | #27
Maybe, but I won't take the chance of subscribing before we got cross-server LFG tools anyways. Seems like they've given up on this game anyways though, so we probably won't ever see the basic LFG tool.

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_Zorth_
05.23.2012 , 03:15 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Hergul View Post
Arnstein, so your not only wanting your views but ur are trying to enforce them with threatening to end your subscription if you dont get what you want ?

How extremly naiv and very unmature of you but because its you we must all now bow down and accept YOUR wishes since you will stop subsciribing cause you are not getting what YOU want ..

i cant belive im reading what some people have posted on this forum about LFG and server wide LFG. If bioware took 1 look at what happened with the game we wont name when they introduced LFG systems that where server wide or even just on the server you where on, they would actually reconsider their choice, cause quite frankly the community went down alot (statisticly proven) of people actually communicating saying hello or speaking to eachother in an group.

the most uttered words since LFG was (in no direct ranking order)

*** you noob u got greens

Dude you suck

How much dps do you do ?

Healer your ***** you suck

Dude **** leave the group ur so ****

and not to mention the loot rage´s and D-heads:

Oh look my companion uses light armor and i dont give a **** if you need it for ur main playable character that you qued up with for this flashpoint cause im taking it for my companion now ****

Or the other answer:

I need the Heavy armor piece (even though i wear light) cause i need money im poor ! i dont care if u actually can use the item cause its now mine so i can make credits

All im saying is maybe bioware should reconsider their LFG system untill they can come up with a solution to these problems in a system like that ..
Very immature to classify every ToR player having that behavoiur, even if they had it really isn't that big of a deal. Every MMO encourages you to join guilds, You make friends and can do FP's, Raids and PvP with them, people you can trust. If you refuse to make 3 friends to do FP's with then you'll have to team up with randoms and pay teh consequences for being too lazy to make friends.

The only way I can see that being a problem is the vast amount of dead servers, So there isn't really anyone left to make friends with. But that would get fixed with a server merge, something that should happen this instant.. Even Daniel Erickson is bragging in an interview of how they have doubled the amount of players that a server can have without causing issues or queue times.
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Jason_Melnik
05.24.2012 , 10:31 PM | #29
A group finding tool is a great feature. When none of your friends or guildies are on you can still use it to find a group for various activities that you are unable to do yourself. Nobody is forcing anybody to use it, it is an addition to help players find people for group activities more easily. Why would anybody complain? If the addition of this tool is enough to make you unhappy with the game then feel free to unsubscribe or learn the lesson of not buying 12 months of subscription based on hype, nobody forced your hand. This applies to everyone who thinks it came too late, it doesn't offer enough, it won't work. If you think you know more or can do a better game than BW, I would encourage you to go ahead and do it. They have chosen a strategy based on many variables of which you are unaware, try and respect that, because by no means do I expect BW to be purposefuly sabotaging SWTOR.

In my opinion this tool should not go cross-server, however. I don't run a flashpoint for the momentary thrill of it only, I run it to gear myself up so I could run raids with people. It is a gearing up point which makes raids and bigger group activities more viable. But on top of that I run them to also gear up people on MY server to run raids WITH. There is no reason for me to gear up a person on another server for him to run raids, it simply does not help me. This is exactly why tanks and healers are so hard to find for groups. They gear up and move on to raids. The DPS crowd, in the meantime, gears up for raids and PVP, that is why there are so many of them and that is why so many of them are bad in flashpoints and group pulls. Only somewhat dedicated tanks and healers run FPs for the purpose of improving their performance in PVP.

Is your server too lowly populated for this tool to work? The server transfers are coming. If you can't leave your friends or guild behind, then the choice is YOURS. BioWare is not going to start paying people to transfer to your server and accomodate to your every need. Many great games have died off because of low populations, and many of them are still going for many years because of loyal, dedicated subscribers who adapted and found ways to still enjoy the game. WOW will be no exception. Neither will SWTOR, it's simply a matter of time and good planning.

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Oscibi
05.25.2012 , 12:09 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Codek View Post
According to StephenReid’s twitter, it will be before patch 1.3

Good amount of information on 1.3 can be found here: http://dulfy.net/2012/05/21/patch-1-...e-know-so-far/
Yes but till it is actually in game it wont be.

Also I said show me where they Promise that it will be before/with 1.3 in blood.
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