(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

I beg to differ, a tank vanguard in dps gear is miles ahead of the commando in survivability and their sustained damage is almost as good. It's ridiculously easy to heal these tanking classes and have videos of myself and our vanguard holding nodes against 4 or 5 people.

Anyway I'm sure the metrics show something is wrong. So it would be moot to argue further. Having leveled a guardian, a scoundrel and a sage, I understand that their is a discrepancy is the tanking stance. Don't be surprised to see a nerf to these stances in pvp or a dps buff to the healer classes (op, sorc, merc).

If you care to discuss this further please open a new thread.

Rofl...

A. a Tank Vanguard in DPS gear puts out no where near the DPS of a Commando who's specced DPS. Survivability will come down to what spec the Commando is using, if he's using a healing type spec, he will last longer in a fight then a Tank Vanguard in DPS gear.

B. If a Tank Vanguard in dps gear/healer is holding a point against 5-6 people for any length of time greater then 10-15 seconds, That is 5-6 terribly geared players on your crap server. You realize that I could absolutely plow through you and your Guard bot vanguard in dps gear on my Pyro, let alone if you're unlucky to run across me and a second DPS.

C. If your Vanguard is specced Tank Spec, and in DPS gear, in closing he's an idiot.. There is another spec that is VASTLY superior to it if you want to play the DPS tank. It's called Tactics, and that is what you play if you want to play that type of character, Simply load up on DPS gear, switch to the Tank Stance, and play Tactic Spec. You're not able to come close to the DPS of a real DPS, but you can off tank and provide guard and you do vastly more damage then the actual Tank Line with DPS gear.

Most servers already don’t have that critical mass of subscribers, and I mean MOST. Your issues are legitimate, but they all pale too the lack of server population, which is not enough to support healthy PvP (or PvE for that matter). On my server, and several others, there’s effectively a two hour window during which you can PvP. Prior to and after that prime window, QUES can last HOURS. When you finally do PvP, it’s against the same people, often against the same Pre-Made that’s effectively farming the rest of the PvP community. 1.2 was a huge step backwards, but low server population is by far a greater issue.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the vanguard, but I trust my people and their specs much more than I trust your opinion. Our premade does fairly well ... how about you mr. anonymous, how do you guys do?

Also "off-tank", I think you've mistaken this for a pve forum.

Actually he played Bright Wizard for the first 5 or so weeks, found it too faceroll and re-rolled into Swordmaster, a class at the time everyone thought was weak. Why? Because everyone thought it was weak. He rolled gunslinger because of the negative feedback he was reading about it on forums. About how it was weak. You are really showing your *** here but I'm guessing this isn't a new experience for you.

Doesn't the following quote contradict your issue with recruit gear?

The gap between recruit gear and augmented WH gear is insane, I agree.
However, the time to get battlemaster is really quick so...who cares?

If the issue is not concerning the PvP'er (you and I) but rather someone who, is new to PVP, and wants to try it out in Recruit gear, then I would agree. This individual would not like his initial foray into PvP. However, when you are brand new to PvP the learning curve is pretty steep and I would imagine that your first ever PvP match in (theoretically) full WH gear would be a challenge as well that most would not enjoy.

Except for those of us on low pop servers that don't get queue's very often. I just hit 50 on 1 of my toons the other day, bought the Battlemaster weapon and rest is recruit gear. Ran around for 3 hours last night doing dailies and had 2 queue pops, both with 6 people on our side. How am I supposed to get BM gear in a few days at that rate? And I am a fairly casual player as is due to having a family and such. Recruit gear is way too far off from BM/WH geared players, there shouldn't be that gap in PvP ever. Gear shouldn't matter that much.

Not to jump in too much here but I don't think it does. On servers with low populations and slow WZ queues, players (especially casual players) will not be able to enjoy an overly fast rate of upwards mobility in gear.

personally a player that choose the class because is weak or strong and not because he likes it it's doing it all wrong

and a lot of player choosing the weak class they do so to hide their mediocrity and blame the "weak" class if they sux
choose the one you like if is op wont be op forever and give ur best.

all the rest is (as the need of writing a analysis of a game not on the game forum) an exercise in futility why if u really care about the game and if u really like the game and the community don't you feel the need to share your view in the forum of the game u are actually playing?

Yep.

I rolled a Sentinel alt back in mid-January, but after the repeated comments from players in my Twitch Chat Room and elsewhere on social media and on the SWTOR forums about how much Gunslingers sucked, in particular the Sharpshooter/Marksmanship tree, so I decided to roll a Sharpshooter Gunslinger alt and reached level 10 on March 1st.

This was before Patch 1.2 notes went up on the PTS in mid-March, in which GS/Sniper got some buffs, and well before the 5% damage buffs (which were unneeded in PVP) were made after 1.2 went live.

I have often played and blogged about classes that people regarded as broken or underpowered, when I believed that they were viable. This is how I got into blogging in the first place. The community often has a very narrow view of what works and doesn't work.

An example of this was Prot Pally in Cataclysm. Prot was very good in PVP in WotLK, but when Cataclysm launched most Prot Pally players gave up the spec for dead and useless in PVP and the Arena.

So I played my Prot with a friend (Enh Shammy), we got to 2k rating in 2v2 after sorting out how to play our unorthodox comp. Doubters then predictably stated "well so what you won't be able to do that in another bracket" so we found a Resto Druid who hadn't yet reached 2k in any bracket, and the 3 of us got to 2k in the first week of playing together (61 matches).

At any rate, it's rather entertaining to read the amount of misinformation that people post about me. My gaming experience (which really meaningfully started in 2005 for MMORPGs) has been well documented. Am I the "best" PVP player? No. Am I competent? I've had opponents and allies tell me I am across games. And I am very willing to share my understanding of mechanics and classes with other players.