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Is Darth Traya/Kreia the best teacher of Force Users?

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Is Darth Traya/Kreia the best teacher of Force Users?

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Slowpokeking
05.19.2012 , 02:48 PM | #1
She trained both great Jedi Masters and Sith Lords.
Including
Revan
Meetra Surik
Darth Nihilus
Darth Sion

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Temeluchus
05.19.2012 , 03:08 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
She trained both great Jedi Masters and Sith Lords.
Including
Revan
Meetra Surik
Darth Nihilus
Darth Sion
Considering that Sion was already a Sith Lord, seasoned warrior and Dark Side devotee and Nihlus was already a Sith Lord, Kreia was their Master in name only and probably taught both very little.

Revan had many Masters, and I doubt you could pinpoint one as being the best and most influential.

She probably had the most affect on Meetra, but this came only when dealing with the wound in the Force stuff, and reconnecting to the Force and much less with Meetra's other abilities which were taught to her as a Jedi or from the Jedi Masters she defeated on her quest to see why she was exiled.

Throw in the fact that 3 of her 4 known 'students' turned on her and I'd say she has a terrible track record as a teacher.
"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night.”

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Wolfninjajedi
05.19.2012 , 03:19 PM | #3
Shes a good manipulator...but teacher? Ehhh...not so much.
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OldVengeance
05.19.2012 , 03:55 PM | #4
No, she's crazy and full of herself. The only person out of the list you mentioned that learned something noteworthy from her is the Exile and even that is in question. She was also still a Jedi when she taught Revan, I don't think she fell to the darkside and became what we know her as until after Revan did.

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Rayla_Felana
05.19.2012 , 04:18 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Temeluchus View Post
Considering that Sion was already a Sith Lord, seasoned warrior and Dark Side devotee and Nihlus was already a Sith Lord, Kreia was their Master in name only and probably taught both very little.
What? she taught Nihilus everything he knew.

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Revan had many Masters, and I doubt you could pinpoint one as being the best and most influential.
She was Revan's main master of them all and taught him a lot of the knowledge he knew about Bonds, etc... she also was the reason he didn't stay full Jedi or full Sith.

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She probably had the most affect on Meetra, but this came only when dealing with the wound in the Force stuff, and reconnecting to the Force and much less with Meetra's other abilities which were taught to her as a Jedi or from the Jedi Masters she defeated on her quest to see why she was exiled.
She was the catalyst for teaching Surik her wide range of abilities, and taught her a hell of a lot about persuasion, bonds and how to read other's thoughts, also Surik never fought any Jedi masters, that is part of the non-canonical Dark Side version of the game.

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Throw in the fact that 3 of her 4 known 'students' turned on her and I'd say she has a terrible track record as a teacher.
Two of them turned on her in typical Sith fashion, the other two didn't, one was forced to fight her and the other just left.

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OldVengeance
05.19.2012 , 04:27 PM | #6
She taught him how to eat planets? Why would she do that?

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Darth_Omega
05.19.2012 , 04:30 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Temeluchus View Post
Considering that Sion was already a Sith Lord, seasoned warrior and Dark Side devotee and Nihlus was already a Sith Lord, Kreia was their Master in name only and probably taught both very little.

Revan had many Masters, and I doubt you could pinpoint one as being the best and most influential.

She probably had the most affect on Meetra, but this came only when dealing with the wound in the Force stuff, and reconnecting to the Force and much less with Meetra's other abilities which were taught to her as a Jedi or from the Jedi Masters she defeated on her quest to see why she was exiled.

Throw in the fact that 3 of her 4 known 'students' turned on her and I'd say she has a terrible track record as a teacher.
I definately would not say she was the best teacher of force users..... but she did teach many people

As for this quote here, true Sion was already a sith lord, and I'm not sure she really taught him much, but her teachings did make him a bit stronger, and she was able to make him bow to her. And for Nihilus, he actually was not already a sith (well actually i cant remember everything, but im pretty sure he was a soldier). He happened to be on Malachor V when it was destroyed with the Mass Shadow Generator. He somehow survived and discovered he could "feed" on other people with the force, and did that to many other survivers to get the hunger to go away, but it kept coming back stronger and stronger. Traya found him and taught him how to control his hunger, and how to become stronger so he could feed in greater quantities at a time (like devouring a planet full of force sensitives). So Traya did teach Nihilus a lot.

Regarding her teaching Revan, she did teach him enough for for the council to blame her and her teachings for Revans and the other jedi's fall. Though that still doesn't say how much she taught him.

Sure, some of her students turned on her, but you kinda got it wrong there. Sion and Nihilus turned on her not because her teachings didnt help them, but because they were getting sick of her bossing them around. And the exile did not betray her, she betrayed the exile.
"A day, a year, a millennium -- it matters not. I hold the patience of stone and the will of stars" - Sith Emperor

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Rayla_Felana
05.19.2012 , 04:30 PM | #8
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She taught him how to eat planets? Why would she do that?
She taught him how to harness and satiated his hunger, why? probably her blind hatred of the Jedi Order or she just didn't understand just how powerful that feeding would become.

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Darth_Omega
05.19.2012 , 04:31 PM | #9
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What? she taught Nihilus everything he knew.



She was Revan's main master of them all and taught him a lot of the knowledge he knew about Bonds, etc... she also was the reason he didn't stay full Jedi or full Sith.



She was the catalyst for teaching Surik her wide range of abilities, and taught her a hell of a lot about persuasion, bonds and how to read other's thoughts, also Surik never fought any Jedi masters, that is part of the non-canonical Dark Side version of the game.



Two of them turned on her in typical Sith fashion, the other two didn't, one was forced to fight her and the other just left.
Wow, you posted this right before i posted mine..... haha

Good to see another person who likes Traya
"A day, a year, a millennium -- it matters not. I hold the patience of stone and the will of stars" - Sith Emperor

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Temeluchus
05.19.2012 , 06:54 PM | #10
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What? she taught Nihilus everything he knew.
I had forgotten that Kreia found Nihilus after he survived the MSG on Malachor V, I'm pretty sure it isn't known if he was a civilian, soldier or possibly even a Sith. So you can't say for sure she taught him every thing he knew or that he wasn't possibly a trained Sith at the time. I will concede she taught him how to control his hunger,which was a new thing to him.

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She was Revan's main master of them all and taught him a lot of the knowledge he knew about Bonds, etc... she also was the reason he didn't stay full Jedi or full Sith.
Revan had way too many Masters to call Kreia his "main Master". She was his first, and he left to train under Master Zhar, he left Zhar, and went on to train under many masters, including Zhar again. He finally went back to Kreia when "he realized there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi—except how one could leave them forever."

So that's Kreia twice, Zhar, twice, numerous other Masters, at least once. I don't know how you arrived at Kreia being his main master from that unless you are inferring this from her being his first Master and thus the "main" or most important, which is subjective.

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Shewas the catalyst for teaching Surik her wide range of abilities, and taught her a hell of a lot about persuasion, bonds and how to read other's thoughts, also Surik never fought any Jedi masters, that is part of the non-canonical Dark Side version of the game.
It's been quite a number of years since I have played KOTOR II, and admittedly I chose to play Meetra more DS than LS on my playthroughs. I could be misremembering but while Kreia did set the wheels in motion for the plot, it was mostly about the Exile rediscovering her connection to the Force, the resulting abilities from each rediscovery and a focus on the wound in the force and Kreia's plan involving this.

You are very knowledgeable about KOTOR II and Meetra, so I'll just defer to you on this.

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Two of them turned on her in typical Sith fashion, the other two didn't, one was forced to fight her and the other just left.
While it is typical Sith fashion to turn upon your Master, they turned on her and cast her out because they had tired of her teachings. Yes, Revan had left her long ago and yes, Meetra was forced to fight her. However you word it or describe the circumstances, 3 out of her 4 known students tried to kill her.

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Regarding her teaching Revan, she did teach him enough for for the council to blame her and her teachings for Revans and the other jedi's fall. Though that still doesn't say how much she taught him
When the fecal matter hits the fan in a major way, heads will always roll, and there will always be a scapegoat. Who better to blame for Revan's fall than his first and last Master? kreia got to be the scapegoat this time, but again it is not known if this is because of the importance placed on her training with him or she was handy to lay the blame at her feet. Their time together is virtually unknown, and what little we do know comes from Kreia, who is a master manipulator and liar.
"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night.”