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Postalz
05.18.2012 , 02:53 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by jgoldsack View Post
Cross server anything is not needed.

Why? Look at a populated server like Fatman. A local server only LFG/PvP would have no issue with finding groups. It would have no need for cross server because it has the population for it.

The best solution is to CLOSE DOWN at least half of the current servers. Close most of the ones that are "Light" at prime time, and move those players to "Standard" servers. Those standard servers would now have a much larger population base, and thus any PvP or LFG would have a much larger pool on the server to pull from.

Cross server is simply a way to get around closing down servers. It does not in any way fix the real issue, which is low server population. Fix the population first. After that, one can look at doing cross server, if there is still a problem.
I can understand no cross server for LFD (actually I don't but w/e) but cross server q'ing for ranked wz's is needed. Look at WoW arenas/rated battlegrounds at any time during the day lets say theres 3 rated battleground teams q'ing. One will be at 1500 rating and the next might be 2000 or the other 2500. As you can see there may very well be large disparities in the rating of teams q'ing. Couple that with unranked q's, ranked solo q's ,group ranked q's, and you have a problem. Rated wz's would be pointless without xserver qing for this reason.

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05.18.2012 , 02:57 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Postalz View Post
I can understand no cross server for LFD (actually I don't but w/e) but cross server q'ing for ranked wz's is needed. Look at WoW arenas/rated battlegrounds at any time during the day lets say theres 3 rated battleground teams q'ing. One will be at 1500 rating and the next might be 2000 or the other 2500. As you can see there may very well be large disparities in the rating of teams q'ing. Couple that with unranked q's, ranked solo q's ,group ranked q's, and you have a problem. Rated wz's would be pointless without xserver qing for this reason.
I am 100% fine with ranked PvP cross-server. I guess I need to go adjust my previous statement about "not having cross server anything".

But for ranked it makes sense, because you are grouping as a team of 4 or 8 (sometimes individual), so you are more likely to group with people you know, and it would make the match more interesting if you do not know who your opponents are.

And I also think they will have the queue not put people with 1000 ranking against those with 2500... at least I would not so. Keep em bracketed, but thats another topic.
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Ratajack
05.18.2012 , 03:43 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Yes it's so easy to spot a player who wants to play the game they pay for.

Do you have anything new to say ever?
Nothing is stopping you from playing the game for which you pay. There are solutions to every problem. Look at the solution, not the problem. You're on a low populated server? Reroll to a higher populated one. You're not sure which server on which to reroll? Make toons on several and get an idea of the average population during the times you generally play, and choose the most populated server. You want to just log in and get an instant group? Try joining a guild or make some friends and form a new guild.

If the only effort you choose to make to solve any problems you may perceive with this game is to come to the forums and whine about how this or that is needed, then expect to get no sympathy from those that chose to solve those same problems.

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Ratajack
05.18.2012 , 03:50 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
You say improvement, most others say not effective in the slightest.
Since it hasn't even been implemented yet, a little hard to say one way or the other. That being said, since single server is not what the whiners want, it will not even be given a chance to succeed. I hope I am wrong, but I seriously doubt that I am. I would bet that the first "We told you so, BW" post hits the forums within an hour of the LFD tool going live. Any takers?

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Mallorik
05.18.2012 , 03:53 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilikaa View Post
I believe this also. I'm just saying that the transfers should be given 2-3months to get the population sorted out before a cross server anything is implemented. maybe only 2 months would be needed for that. I can't give exact numbers since I have no idea how things will work out lol.
thats fine if you believe that people having a hard time getting groups was not one of the resons the servers are empty in the first place. Just my opinion but if i had to pick one reason i think peole started leaving it would be that.

So consolidating servers while not fixing the things that emptied the servers in the first place? not a good plan.

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Ratajack
05.18.2012 , 03:53 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by jgoldsack View Post
Blizzard never tried to fix their populations. Like I said, fix the populations first and cross server will not be needed. This isn't wow, and this isn't rift, don't need to do it how they do it. Be a first mmo to close down servers to fix a problem instead of ignoring it and applying a bandaid.

And the incentives for wow were added way after cross server was added.

The point of this is to fix deserted servers. Do that and there is no need for cross server.
Perhaps you don't remember or you weren't there for all the free server transfers that Blizzard offered from low pop servers to higher pop servers.

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chaosdefined
05.18.2012 , 03:54 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Since it hasn't even been implemented yet, a little hard to say one way or the other. That being said, since single server is not what the whiners want, it will not even be given a chance to succeed. I hope I am wrong, but I seriously doubt that I am. I would bet that the first "We told you so, BW" post hits the forums within an hour of the LFD tool going live. Any takers?
I'm going by experience here. Two other MMO's have tried the single-server idea, it failed and so they went cross-server. They had better populations than this game does currently.


Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Nothing is stopping you from playing the game for which you pay. There are solutions to every problem. Look at the solution, not the problem. You're on a low populated server? Reroll to a higher populated one. You're not sure which server on which to reroll? Make toons on several and get an idea of the average population during the times you generally play, and choose the most populated server. You want to just log in and get an instant group? Try joining a guild or make some friends and form a new guild.

If the only effort you choose to make to solve any problems you may perceive with this game is to come to the forums and whine about how this or that is needed, then expect to get no sympathy from those that chose to solve those same problems.
Your solutions have one issue to them. Telling someone who has a level 50 character to simply 'start again' somewhere else is not encouraging in the slightest. "Well done for spending weeks/months grinding up your character to the top level and spending as long as you can trying to gear him. Now abandon all that and start again!" no they'll just quit. Which is what a very large amount of people have done.

Your suggestions, I'm afraid, are not solutions. They are to some players a large middle finger. A 'not my problem deal with it' style response that you may think sounds helpful, but it really isn't.

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Ratajack
05.18.2012 , 03:56 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
You hope. But hey...time proves all things. If they add it before my sub runs out this Aug..then I can see for sure. But I have this feeling.....

And for another thing..I am not transfering. I like my server and am going to stay because I will not change my char's names. Right now the game only lacks one thing for me and that is the lack of a timely tool to get into end game content. And if BioWare wants to keep me as a paying sub, then they need to provide me with that tool or it is adios.
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Mallorik
05.18.2012 , 04:02 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Dylancholy View Post
Except it is an automatic queue system that greatly helps instance group finding, thereby helping people see the content built for them.
Nobody is forced to be a part of the community and I never suggested they should be. Community was such a minor part of my post that I'm very confused on how you misconstrued it so badly.
You are also greatly underestimating the usefulness of a same server lfg system.
No idea what youre trying to say in your first sentance, but it sounds like support for cross server lfg.

And im really confused when you say "Community was such a minor part of my post that I'm very confused on how you misconstrued it so badly" the only arguement i saw you make against a cross server tool was about wrecking the community.

And if i am greatly under estimating the usefulness of a same server tool, why has it never worked in any game before? I have pointed out 5 very obvious reasons why it wont work and ive yet to see one person point out a hard fact about swtor that would suggest a same server tool will work here.

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jgoldsack
05.18.2012 , 04:04 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Perhaps you don't remember or you weren't there for all the free server transfers that Blizzard offered from low pop servers to higher pop servers.
I remember Blizzard offering transfers off overflowing servers to low pop servers. I moved from a high pop server to a new server to help with balance. Then my server became a low population server down the road, and the only way for me to move off was to pay to transfer. Transfers off low-pop servers without closing those low pop servers isn't a fix, because people will still play on those low pop servers.

If they want to transfer people off low pop servers to higher population servers, power to em. But close down the low pop servers so that people are FORCED to move off to a place with more population, to fix the population problem!
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