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Mallorik
05.19.2012 , 01:18 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Do you really understand how a cross server LFG tool can work for even your friends? Lets say 3 of you are on and want to run a quick Flashpoint, but you are lacking one player. So you use the cross server LFG tool and allmost instantly fill that position. That is how it works in WoW and I cannot tell how many times that situation has come up with my friends and guildies. A lot. We are casual players and so is most of the guild members. So a cross server LFG tool helps us get the content ran. Community? Mine is my friends and guildies. And my server has some I donot care to ever make friends with. The community on my server has not changed as a whole from the very first day I started playing WoW more than 7 yrs ago.
Youre exactly right, The only time ive used an lfg tool to join a random group is if i happen to be on at an off peak time , and even then i would que with a guildy most of the time. The other 90% of the time i would que with 2 or 3 guildies who all needed a heroic and we would fill out the rest with the que.

We would also almost always give out a lfm shout before we qued, just to make the que shortter by filling another spot immediately

In rift when it was same server lfg tool we would have to wait forever to fill that group half the tme (and rift had much larger server pop caps than swtor) , especialy if we needed a healer, when it went cross server it became much much more easier.

Everyone also knows its hardest to get a tank and or a healer in any lfg que, so many tanks or healers dont even use the lfg tool to start out, they just spam once or twice in chat then fill out the rest with the tool.

People are just paranoid about something that just isnt true, cross server lfg is the boogey man in your closet.

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jgoldsack
05.19.2012 , 01:29 PM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
Youre exactly right, The only time ive used an lfg tool to join a random group is if i happen to be on at an off peak time , and even then i would que with a guildy most of the time. The other 90% of the time i would que with 2 or 3 guildies who all needed a heroic and we would fill out the rest with the que.

We would also almost always give out a lfm shout before we qued, just to make the que shortter by filling another spot immediately

In rift when it was same server lfg tool we would have to wait forever to fill that group half the tme (and rift had much larger server pop caps than swtor) , especialy if we needed a healer, when it went cross server it became much much more easier.

Everyone also knows its hardest to get a tank and or a healer in any lfg que, so many tanks or healers dont even use the lfg tool to start out, they just spam once or twice in chat then fill out the rest with the tool.

People are just paranoid about something that just isnt true, cross server lfg is the boogey man in your closet.
Yes, cross server can do all that. I am not denying that.

My point is, address the real problem, which is server population. Same server LFG will never work if they do not merge servers, and shrink down from 200 to about 75 servers or less. Cross server doesn't address the population issue, rather it simply lets the company ignore it.

DON'T ignore the problem,... FIX the problem. And that means merges, and serious merges, not a couple here and there. If people jump on them for doing it, so what, they would have the guts to do what other games have not: Consolidate low pop servers to make more medium-large pop servers.

THAT is my main issue. FIX the population FIRST, then see if further changes are needed.
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Mallorik
05.19.2012 , 01:58 PM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by jgoldsack View Post
Yes, cross server can do all that. I am not denying that.

My point is, address the real problem, which is server population. Same server LFG will never work if they do not merge servers, and shrink down from 200 to about 75 servers or less. Cross server doesn't address the population issue, rather it simply lets the company ignore it.

DON'T ignore the problem,... FIX the problem. And that means merges, and serious merges, not a couple here and there. If people jump on them for doing it, so what, they would have the guts to do what other games have not: Consolidate low pop servers to make more medium-large pop servers.

THAT is my main issue. FIX the population FIRST, then see if further changes are needed.
I really dont know what your arguement is, they are having server transfers, and anyone who pays attention to the devs all think that it will be before 1.3 and the sme server tool.

But theres also the fact that even the 3 or 4 "full" servers they have right now, while they may be GREAT are still losing population. and that is not because of a population problem, its from what caused the populatiuon problem on all the other servers.

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jgoldsack
05.19.2012 , 02:02 PM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
I really dont know what your arguement is, they are having server transfers, and anyone who pays attention to the devs all think that it will be before 1.3 and the sme server tool.

But theres also the fact that even the 3 or 4 "full" servers they have right now, while they may be GREAT are still losing population. and that is not because of a population problem, its from what caused the populatiuon problem on all the other servers.
What part of "merge servers and shut down servers" are you not understanding? Transfers will NOT fix population issues. The only way to FIX it is to CLOSE DOWN servers, and merge those players into other servers to make more servers with higher populations.
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Mallorik
05.19.2012 , 02:11 PM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by jgoldsack View Post
What part of "merge servers and shut down servers" are you not understanding? Transfers will NOT fix population issues. The only way to FIX it is to CLOSE DOWN servers, and merge those players into other servers to make more servers with higher populations.
I dont know what their plans for server tranfers are so i cant say that they need hard lne merges or not. Rift did their transfers flawlessly and it worked well. But who knows how bioware will do it. im not disagreeing with you that the population problem is the biggest problem that swtor has right now. But i think if done right transfers will work just fine.

And no i dont have faith that bioware will do it right, trust has to be earned, and the fact that they seem to purposely ignore every successful thing any other mmo compay has done in the past they do not have my trust at all.

We should find out their plans this week according to the devs tweets last week, so i guess we will know if they have changed their ways then.

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05.19.2012 , 02:12 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by rumpleseq View Post
LFD without Cross Server is going to be hilarious.
The only people that won't be laughing are BioWare when they find out they only have about 500k subs left.

This game's already become something of an internet joke.
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Valkirus
05.19.2012 , 04:44 PM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by jgoldsack View Post
What part of "merge servers and shut down servers" are you not understanding? Transfers will NOT fix population issues. The only way to FIX it is to CLOSE DOWN servers, and merge those players into other servers to make more servers with higher populations.
I have not heard them say anything at all about "merging" servers. Transfers...yeah. Merging servers is not allways a good thing in some eyes. It is a sign for one..the game cannot support a large pop. And how do they handle "unique" names for your chars and legacy names? The transfers they are refering to are going to be from high pop ones to low pop ones. "Paid" transfers will be to a server of your choice with some restrictions. This is my prediction. With a cross server LFG tool there would be no need for server merges, ever.
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netslayer
05.19.2012 , 04:47 PM | #198
there is still a need for the server merges LFG tool or multi realm pvp queuing isnt going to fix the economy issues now is it?
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Ratajack
05.19.2012 , 04:48 PM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
We do know actually, because Blizz tried the single-server LFG for a few months and as their numbers showed, there wasn't much of a significant increase to the amount of players experiencing the dungeons due to low server populations and long queue times finding suitable players of that level etc. And WoW had a much larger population at that point than this game does now.
Blizzard's single server LFG tool was NOT the dungeon finder tool that is currently in place. It let you flag yourself as LFG, very similar to what exists in TOR at the present time. The dungeon finder tool that is currently in place in WOW was cross server from the start. If it had been a single server dungeon finder tool, an autogrouping tool, it may well have worked. As I said, we will never know, because it was never implemented that way.

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Ratajack
05.19.2012 , 04:52 PM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Lets say that one station you have to wait a while to pump your gas because they only have one pump with a nosel. But across the road is a station which has all of it's pumps with nosels and no waiting lines. Same price for the gas too. Which you think the great majority are going to use?
I personally would go across the road to the other gas station, but apparently not everyone would. With all the posts from players refusing to reroll, or transfer servers when that becomes available, it sure seems that a lot of people would rather sit in their car and demand that the gas station add more nozzles.
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