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Problems with the Prequels


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Mordegrus
05.18.2012 , 08:15 AM | #21
But Anakin believed that Obi-Wan betrayed him by turning Padme against him, and that it was his fault for Anakin killing her.
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Wolfninjajedi
05.18.2012 , 08:22 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordegrus View Post
But Anakin believed that Obi-Wan betrayed him by turning Padme against him, and that it was his fault for Anakin killing her.
Which wasn't true, the darkside was clouding his thoughts/judgement he wasn't thinking clearly.
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ScarletBlaze
05.18.2012 , 08:23 AM | #23
No it was Anakin's fault for not listening and jumping to conclusions. If you love someone you take the time to listen to the person you love not jump to conclusions. So no it wasn't anyone else's fault but Anakin. Anakin is responsible for what happened.

The person that actually turned Padme away was Anakin himself. She told him before Obi-Wan stepped off her ship that she still loved him but he was going down a path she could not follow. Anakin was the one that basically pushed her away by going down the dark side.
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Eillack
05.18.2012 , 08:26 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordegrus View Post
Well, in Episode III, how is it possible that Anakin turns to the Dark Side so easily, just because he had a dream about his wife dying(or giving birth)? Also, how can Jar Jar(who is total clutz) become a Senator, and have the authority to give Palpatine access to emergency powers? I personally think that the Prequels were rushed, and full of flaws.
(But hey, that's me talking.)
You do know some time passes in the film right?

But Anakin was already on the verge of falling. Between Ep II and III events occured that really messed him up. (and no not TCW).

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Wolfninjajedi
05.18.2012 , 08:35 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by ScarletBlaze View Post
No it was Anakin's fault for not listening and jumping to conclusions. If you love someone you take the time to listen to the person you love not jump to conclusions. So no it wasn't anyone else's fault but Anakin. Anakin is responsible for what happened.

The person that actually turned Padme away was Anakin himself. She told him before Obi-Wan stepped off her ship that she still loved him but he was going down a path she could not follow. Anakin was the one that basically pushed her away by going down the dark side.
Ironic no?
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Rayla_Felana
05.18.2012 , 08:45 AM | #26
Firstly Anakin didn't just turn randomly, you got it completely wrong.

He was on the verge of the Dark Side for years before he finally fell, he was constantly at war with his emotions, he also states in Episode II that he believes democracy doesn't work and what he described as his preferred view on the galaxy was exactly what the Galactic Empire was, a dictatorship.

He also ever since losing his mother had pledged to learn how to stop people from dying, something which was further pushed into his mentality when Sidious offered him this power, it is possible Sidious himself planted those visions of Padme's death into his head, so he'd be seduced by the thought.

Even more than this, he felt held back by the Jedi council because they didn't trust him, which in fairness he was right, they didn't trust him especially when pushed next to Senator Palpatine, even worse when they didn't give him the Master rank, they had denied him the exact things he believed he needed to save Padme, the holocrons which were only accessible by Jedi Masters not Jedi Knights, he believed they could hold the key to the healing powers that he had failed to master which resulted in his Tusken ally's death way back in the Clone Wars.

Now let me describe to you Anakin's thoughts, when he entered Palpatine's office, all he could see was a defeated Sidious about to be killed by Windu, he believed Sidious when he feigned complete lack of power and when Windu went in for the kill, Anakin disarmed him mainly because he believed Padme would die if he lost Palpatine and secondly because he really did believe Sidious had no way to fight back, he was taken by surprise when Sidious instantly murdered Windu, but by that point he believed the Jedi wouldn't take him back so he left himself open to Sidious' influence, which is incredibly powerful, Luke Skywalker stated that he had a hypnotic lull to his voice and that his very presence pulled you to the Dark Side, that is mainly because Sidious himself was a walking Dark Side Nexus which is very powerful and corrupting.

So when Vader went to attack the Jedi Temple Sidious was pushing his mind further and further into the Dark Side which means Vader lost all reason and was being pulled further and further into insanity.
At the same time something was happening in the Force, with each jedi's death all across the galaxy simultaneously, the Dark Side grew in power, which created a kind of Dark Side nexus which spread all across the galaxy, and was primarily focused on what was now Imperial Centre not Coruscant.

All of this Dark Side power was focused into Sidious and Vader, so much power merely overwhelmed Vader's mind and he was filled with rage, then came Mustafar, throughout the Clone Wars Anakin had made his hatred of the Separatists well known choking and killing them without second thought, so when he massacred the Separatist Leaders he didn't have any qualms about it, they were corrupt scum and he was doing something good for the galaxy, so he actually believed what he was doing was for the better of the galaxy, a strong Empire that could abolish the corruption in the senate and even better, he was going to save his wife whilst doing it, but by the time she found him, he wasn't Anakin at all.

Vader was a corrupt, paranoid and suppressed version of his former self, and all the emotions rushing through him made him lash out to Padme, this was the fulfilment of the vision, which itself could very well have been a warning to stay away from the Dark Side of the Force but it had the opposite effect and pushed him further to his selfish attachment to Padme and the beings he loved, seeing Obi-Wan made him furious because he blamed him for everything that had happened and even further so the Jedi Order, which just like Sidious claimed were plotting to take over, though not in nearly the same way that Palpatine was suggesting, he witnessed the council say they would have to take control to secure a peaceful transition.

When the battle was waging, he was using the most aggressive Djem-So style ever seen, he became rage incarnate and the only thing stopping him from killing Obi-Wan was Obi-Wan's mastery of Soresu.

TL;DR, He didn't just fall to the Dark Side, it was a prolonged effort by Sidious to corrupt him over the years, Anakin never stood a chance.

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Wolfninjajedi
05.18.2012 , 08:49 AM | #27
^ Pretty much what I said, just in longer depth.

Edit: Not saying thats a bad thing Rayla.
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LeeC
05.18.2012 , 10:27 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
^ Pretty much what I said, just in longer depth.

Edit: Not saying thats a bad thing Rayla.
Wolfninjajedi out of curiosity have you watched all 3 plinkett reviews of the PT?

I've noticed you defend the PT with a passion and wanted your opinion of the reviews.

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Wolfninjajedi
05.18.2012 , 10:59 AM | #29
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Wolfninjajedi out of curiosity have you watched all 3 plinkett reviews of the PT?

I've noticed you defend the PT with a passion and wanted your opinion of the reviews.
Bits and pieces, but I just can't get through them because the guy has such an annoying voice and he nitpicks so deeply that you could do that for any movie and it'll work.

Its not rocket science to figure out the movies, you just need to put some thought into them. Look at them from another angle so to speak. You shouldn't view them at just one particular viewpoint, run through your thoughts and try looking at the movies from a different perspective.
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Captain_Zone
05.18.2012 , 11:04 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Bits and pieces, but I just can't get through them because the guy has such an annoying voice and he nitpicks so deeply that you could do that for any movie and it'll work.

Its not rocket science to figure out the movies, you just need to put some thought into them. Look at them from another angle so to speak. You shouldn't view them at just one particular viewpoint, run through your thoughts and try looking at the movies from a different perspective.
My other perspective on the movies was the novelizations. The books are about 100 times better than the onscreen prequels.
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