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Problems with the Prequels


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Captyellowbeard
05.19.2012 , 10:48 AM | #131
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If the Jedi could be brought down with cloned soldiers,
Why couldn't they be destroyed by the old Sith Empire?
Deception divide and conquer , cause confusion among the ranks and have victory, that is why the clones came in handy due to they were desperate and had no army till they found the clones, their desperation blinded them causing there destruction.

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05.19.2012 , 10:50 AM | #132
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If the Jedi could be brought down with cloned soldiers,
Why couldn't they be destroyed by the old Sith Empire?
Because the Sith never stop backstabbing and betray each other.

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05.19.2012 , 10:51 AM | #133
Oh yeah...
“Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

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Mordegrus
05.19.2012 , 10:52 AM | #134
But can you all agree that the Prequels could have been better?
“Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

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05.19.2012 , 11:47 AM | #135
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But it's not the real Movies!!
They are just the solutions to the problems made in the Prequels.
But it is all still considered canon. Lucas is writing the episodes. This is all officially part of the story.
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05.19.2012 , 12:01 PM | #136
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Order 66 made no sense whatsoever.
1.They had an order to kill ALL Jedi, and the Jedi didn't discover it?
2.Ok, even if they didn't discover it, couldn't they sense that the Clones were targeting them, and couldn't the Jedi hear the Chancellor telling the Troopers to, "Execute Order 66."?
The clones were essentially "programmed". That was the purpose of having an army that was genetically engineered. They would obey, no matter what. I don't believe that the clone troopers were "plotting" against the Jedi. In TCW, they are very close with the Jedi. Order 66 was not a publicly known order, I believe that once the order is given, the clones, genetically engineered to follow orders, carried them out immediately. The Jedi wouldn't suspect anything.

Jedi are NOT indestructible. They aren't godlike. they aren't constantly walking around sensing what everyone feels about them at all times. Also, their ability to use the force is being hindered at this time. By the time they sensed that the clones were actually targeting them, it was too late, they were each separated from each other and surrounded by their own legions.
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05.19.2012 , 12:07 PM | #137
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Can't the Jedi read the minds of people?
Jedi are more empathic than telepathic. They can feel emotions and how someone's reacting to them, but I can't think of any instance where someone pulled information out of someone's head without their cooperation (Luke calling Leia when he was hanging by the weathervane); In fact in Episode IV, Vader had to use drugs (The spherical droid with the hypo needle) to try to get information out of Leia as to where the Rebel Base was.
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05.19.2012 , 12:39 PM | #138
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But can you all agree that the Prequels could have been better?
Absolutely, in the realm of acting, casting, etc, there is PLENTY to be upset about. Lucas is a better storyteller than director, in my opinion. "The Empire Strikes Back" was, hands down, the most popular of all the films. Lucas wrote the script and handed it off to someone else (Irvin Kirschner) and the results were fantastic!. Lucas only directed "A New Hope" and all of the prequels. Not a great director, but I think the actual story was fantastic.

I think in many cases, many of us don't realize that we are looking at the Prequels through a completely different prism than the Original Trilogy.

1. It's a completely different story with completely different characters in a completely different era. It's not Han and Leia, Chewie and C-3PO; Luke and R2... there are completely different relationships and dynamics.

2. Vader wasn't going to be Vader as a child. People always complain about not caring to see what Vader was like as a child and that he was all whiny. I challenge them to go back and watch Episodes IV and V again. Luke is whiny as hell - it runs in the family. Anakin was described in the original trilogy as someone who "still had good in him", so he had to be good at some point. The purpose of the prequels was to tell how Anakin became a great Jedi and fell to the dark side.

3. We're older than we were when we saw the Original Trilogy. Ask most kids today and they'll tell you they like the new ones better than the old ones. Someone posted earlier that their child thinks the original Star Wars is boring. When we were older, we were expecting the story to grow up with us and be more adult (similar to how the Harry Potter stories gradually became darker and much more serious). To a point, it did... the prequels are MUCH more political. Politics played a very small role in the OT. I think the story was much more complex as well (as you can tell by this thread and people asking questions about things they didn't understand.

4. If you weren't able to tap into that kid you were when you fell in love with the Original trilogy when you watched the prequels, you couldn't enjoy them the same way. Let me give an example. As a child or young teen, you don't look at a movie and complain about the character dynamics, story flaws, the overuse of special effects, etc. (Those are the primary complaints of people who hated the prequels) what you normally care about was lots of action, cool special effects, cool heroes and evil baddies doing battle and if parts of it made you laugh.

Think about it, if "The Empire Strikes Back" came out today, how much would we be complaining about the ridiculous way Yoda talks, with putting all his prepositional phrases first? Now think about how many people complained about the way Jar Jar talked...
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05.19.2012 , 12:45 PM | #139
I think Hayden was very good in EP III.

PT's acting is overall good. Especially Palpatine's portrayal is amazing.

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Jaavik
05.19.2012 , 12:49 PM | #140
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I think Hayden was very good in EP III.

PT's acting is overall good. Especially Palpatine's portrayal is amazing.
I agree. And I really liked the part when he was telling Padme what he did to the Sandpeople in Episode II. For a change, I actually believed Anakin's emotion. Hayden got a reputation for being very wooden. I would partially blame that on Lucas's directing. It's the director's responsibility to get the performance he wants out of the actor. I've seen Hayden in other movies and he's much better.

Who is PT?
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