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Problems with the Prequels


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Mordegrus
05.17.2012 , 08:07 PM | #1
Well, in Episode III, how is it possible that Anakin turns to the Dark Side so easily, just because he had a dream about his wife dying(or giving birth)? Also, how can Jar Jar(who is total clutz) become a Senator, and have the authority to give Palpatine access to emergency powers? I personally think that the Prequels were rushed, and full of flaws.
(But hey, that's me talking.)
“Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

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Velaran
05.17.2012 , 08:16 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordegrus View Post
Well, in Episode III, how is it possible that Anakin turns to the Dark Side so easily, just because he had a dream about his wife dying(or giving birth)? Also, how can Jar Jar(who is total clutz) become a Senator, and have the authority to give Palpatine access to emergency powers? I personally think that the Prequels were rushed, and full of flaws.
(But hey, that's me talking.)
It's not just you. By a long shot.

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Mordegrus
05.17.2012 , 08:38 PM | #3
So there are people who agree with me!
I thought everyone loved the Prequels.
Well, besides the fact that Jar Jar is really stupid...
“Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

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RDeanOU
05.17.2012 , 08:48 PM | #4
Watch this and you shall learn.

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Velaran
05.17.2012 , 08:51 PM | #5
Man, these reviews are popular.

Seriously Mordegrus, watch all three series of reviews. They're pretty entertaining, and they bring up every flaw with the prequels.

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Mordegrus
05.17.2012 , 08:58 PM | #6
Well, it just means that LucasArts, impressively, ruined our hopes and dreams for the revalation of the child version of Darth Vader, and messed up three movies in a row (must be a World Record).
“Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

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Wolfninjajedi
05.17.2012 , 09:01 PM | #7
Well here it is.

1. If people actually watched the movies, you can see that Anakin is falling throughout all 3 episodes.

EP 1, he is scared/afraid, he doesn't want to leave his mother all by herself. Already he seems to be unsure of what is going on, and there is nothing that can be done because the jedi doesn't want him trained because his future is clouded and Yoda senses much fear in him.

EP 2, further elaborates on his emotions a little more. He sees visions of his mother suffering, so in following said emotions goes to try and find/rescues her, upon doing so he finds he tortured by the Sand People and he kills them all in anger. He is more mad at himself, because he wasn't able to save her this is what makes him start wanting more power for the right reasons to protect the ones that he loves and cares about. However his emotions keep going awry, and he makes rather rash decisions(such as charging at Dooku).

EP 3, the climax of it all when he fights Dooku he uses his emotions yet again along with his bladework to overwhelm Dooku in their duel. Now when he was at his mercy, he is conflicted with his emotions yet again and his goaded by Palpatine to kill him even though he knows it is wrong in his mind and against his jedi teachings. Fast forward, Anakin begins to have unclear visions about Padme thinking that she dies during child birth fearing this he goes and tries to find a way in how to save her. He goes to Yoda, and explains vaugely of what is going on but Yoda just replies with "let them go, mourn them do not, miss them to not. Death is a natural part of life."

He then goes to Palpatine who spews on about his master, and his techquine for saving people. Anakin then later finds out he is the sith lord the jedi have been hunting for, and again against his teachings because he is conflicted lets Palpatine go when he had him. Then the whole thing with Mace Windu comes about, and again he is conflicted in what to do and against his better judgement helps kill Windu by cutting off his hand because he let his love for Padme get the better of him. This then is the process that he completely falls to the darkside, and serves Palpatine as Darth Vader.
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So no, it is not just at the drop of a hat its over the course of the 3 movies. It starts out small, and works its way up to a big thing.

As for Jar Jar, he GREW UP by EP 2/3 he isn't the same clumsy being. He has a serious position, which he needs to be serious and mature into a full adulthood, thus the child like innocence of Jar Jar is removed completely and he becomes a mature and responsible gungan.
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Mordegrus
05.17.2012 , 09:12 PM | #8
But why was Anakin do easily turned to the Dark Side.
Didn't he have years of Jedi Training?
Plus, Palpatine TOLD him he was a SITH LORD!
Yet, he joined Palpatine only after he killed Windu out of pressure (which was stupid too because Windu was a Jedi who could use the Force to sense the thoughts of others, and could have Force Pused him or something, because he was second to Yoda).
“Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

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Velaran
05.17.2012 , 09:17 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Well here it is.

1. If people actually watched the movies, you can see that Anakin is falling throughout all 3 episodes.

EP 1, he is scared/afraid, he doesn't want to leave his mother all by herself. Already he seems to be unsure of what is going on, and there is nothing that can be done because the jedi doesn't want him trained because his future is clouded and Yoda senses much fear in him.

EP 2, further elaborates on his emotions a little more. He sees visions of his mother suffering, so in following said emotions goes to try and find/rescues her, upon doing so he finds he tortured by the Sand People and he kills them all in anger. He is more mad at himself, because he wasn't able to save her this is what makes him start wanting more power for the right reasons to protect the ones that he loves and cares about. However his emotions keep going awry, and he makes rather rash decisions(such as charging at Dooku).

EP 3, the climax of it all when he fights Dooku he uses his emotions yet again along with his bladework to overwhelm Dooku in their duel. Now when he was at his mercy, he is conflicted with his emotions yet again and his goaded by Palpatine to kill him even though he knows it is wrong in his mind and against his jedi teachings. Fast forward, Anakin begins to have unclear visions about Padme thinking that she dies during child birth fearing this he goes and tries to find a way in how to save her. He goes to Yoda, and explains vaugely of what is going on but Yoda just replies with "let them go, mourn them do not, miss them to not. Death is a natural part of life."

He then goes to Palpatine who spews on about his master, and his techquine for saving people. Anakin then later finds out he is the sith lord the jedi have been hunting for, and again against his teachings because he is conflicted lets Palpatine go when he had him. Then the whole thing with Mace Windu comes about, and again he is conflicted in what to do and against his better judgement helps kill Windu by cutting off his hand because he let his love for Padme get the better of him. This then is the process that he completely falls to the darkside, and serves Palpatine as Darth Vader.
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So no, it is not just at the drop of a hat its over the course of the 3 movies. It starts out small, and works its way up to a big thing.
Personally, I didn't feel that his fall was all that abrupt. His logic for staying on the Dark Side is completely screwed up though. It doesn't help that nobody could ever speak the dialogue written by Lucas.

Also, I really like how the EU expanded on his fall. This scene from the Clone Wars might tell a better story of Anakin's fall then all the prequels, just because it feels more natural.

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Wolfninjajedi
05.17.2012 , 09:18 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordegrus View Post
But why was Anakin do easily turned to the Dark Side.
Didn't he have years of Jedi Training?
Plus, Palpatine TOLD him he was a SITH LORD!
Yet, he joined Palpatine only after he killed Windu out of pressure (which was stupid too because Windu was a Jedi who could use the Force to sense the thoughts of others, and could have Force Pused him or something, because he was second to Yoda).
He wasn't so easily turned to the darkside, it took years for that to happen. Jedi training can only do so much, they can train you and train you. But at the end of it all, its up to the individual themselves to resist the darkside. Jedi Masters have fallen to the darkside, its not something that is rare to happen to jedi.

Yes Palpatine told Anakin he was a sith lord, but again this is where his emotions and love for Padme come into play. He was told that Palpatine could save her, and with Windu he was battling with himself on what to do. Stay true to the jedi teachings, or save his wife? He chose to try and save his wife.

Windu was far too focused on Palpatine, he didn't sense Palpatine's shatterpoint was Anakin and he didn't sense that Anakin's shatterpoint was Padme and doing anything to save her.

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Also, I really like how the EU expanded on his fall. This scene from the Clone Wars might tell a better story of Anakin's fall then all the prequels, just because it feels more natural.
You can't shove years of stuff to explain a fall, this is more likely why there were such long gaps in time between the movies. So the EU, can go back and explain a little better because they are not on a time crunch.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.