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Blackhole H+4 - Chasing the Shadow - Please reduce it.

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Blackhole H+4 - Chasing the Shadow - Please reduce it.

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Olostur
05.19.2012 , 10:27 PM | #31

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azelmkII
05.20.2012 , 02:11 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by hulkweazel View Post
Actually, these "Heroic 4"s need to be made harder.

I solo the Imp side version in 10 minutes. I haven't been able to solo the Pub side but it's easily 2-mannable.
Are there any Jugg who can solo it in 10 minutes?
I want to L2P

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Karasuko
05.20.2012 , 02:14 AM | #33
Solo'd the republic side earlier this week, It only requires a geared companion and you.

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Shlamorel
05.20.2012 , 06:15 AM | #34
If you can, find a friend or guildy to do it with. Companions count as a player, so with 2 players (each with 1 companion), this quest is very manageable.

Oh and if you're feeling up to an even bigger challenge, you can try soloing the quest. I was able to solo it last week for the first time (and I'm a healer). It was slow but eventually I got it done, and it felt pretty rewarding
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peterjohndevries
05.20.2012 , 06:42 AM | #35
explain how this can be done with 2 people please without the 60s stun? 9seriously....how please?) Guardian and trooper (me and my friend) have only 6-9s stuns against 4 elites and four strongs. I don't think I'm a bad player but without taking out at least two of the elites and/or having a full time healer spec with you, I don't see how you can survive the focused damage of 6 or 7.

I laugh when someone says their healer companion has rakata gear. didn't the thread start with 'low population servers means this can't be completed' - I assume if your companion has rakata gear you have found lots of guild/groups to work with to finish the operations :-)

The problem as stated was 'in low population servers, there is no way to complete this'. That is not a problem with this specific heroic but in general - end game content is unavailable for most part to a huge group of us right now since there is no-one to do anything with to 'progress' in gear :-( ...... so, there is no way to get campaign gear without ...... finding groups......so the question is really 'how to get best gear on low population servers'.

I guess I dont' get the problem with creating challenging/tough heroic-2's that granted commendations..... most of you dont' realize how very very difficult it is to do anything of value on our servers.....and most of us casual gamers are not going to invest months to get our lvl 50's 'rerolled' somewhere....so we are stuck

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Shlamorel
05.20.2012 , 07:39 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by peterjohndevries View Post
explain how this can be done with 2 people please without the 60s stun? 9seriously....how please?) Guardian and trooper (me and my friend) have only 6-9s stuns against 4 elites and four strongs. I don't think I'm a bad player but without taking out at least two of the elites and/or having a full time healer spec with you, I don't see how you can survive the focused damage of 6 or 7.

I laugh when someone says their healer companion has rakata gear. didn't the thread start with 'low population servers means this can't be completed' - I assume if your companion has rakata gear you have found lots of guild/groups to work with to finish the operations :-)

The problem as stated was 'in low population servers, there is no way to complete this'. That is not a problem with this specific heroic but in general - end game content is unavailable for most part to a huge group of us right now since there is no-one to do anything with to 'progress' in gear :-( ...... so, there is no way to get campaign gear without ...... finding groups......so the question is really 'how to get best gear on low population servers'.

I guess I dont' get the problem with creating challenging/tough heroic-2's that granted commendations..... most of you dont' realize how very very difficult it is to do anything of value on our servers.....and most of us casual gamers are not going to invest months to get our lvl 50's 'rerolled' somewhere....so we are stuck
You're right, certain class combinations can make this very difficult. Do either of you have healer companion(s) and/or companions with CC? For example, I know my healer companion can do some continuous CC.
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peterjohndevries
05.20.2012 , 07:59 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Shlamorel View Post
You're right, certain class combinations can make this very difficult. Do either of you have healer companion(s) and/or companions with CC? For example, I know my healer companion can do some continuous CC.
hmm.... I have never seen him throw a long freeze...but I should force him to throw this and find out how long it lasts

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Shlamorel
05.20.2012 , 08:48 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by peterjohndevries View Post
hmm.... I have never seen him throw a long freeze...but I should force him to throw this and find out how long it lasts
Yea, try that.

I know it's frustrating and ideally we would have bustling servers with tons of people to group with... but in the mean time, think of this as a challenging goal. I mean, every time you accomplish something for the first time it feels pretty dang good, right? So if you can find a friend to try this with (and be willing to put in some blood and tears), then when you finally accomplish it it'll be such a reward

(Seriously not trying to sound like Barney, I'm just encouraging you to try; it's certainly within reach!)
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Shlamorel
05.20.2012 , 09:53 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by peterjohndevries View Post
explain how this can be done with 2 people please without the 60s stun? 9seriously....how please?) 1k
I just wanted to add some specific tips since you were asking for specifics

I don't know what specs you and your friends are, so that complicates the advice i can give you. I'm just going to assume you're both DPS because I think that presents the hardest scenario.

If you're both DPS, you ideally have a tank and healer companion between the two of you. If this is the case, I'd reccomend sending the tank companion in while the healing companion heals him. You and your friend will need to attack your tank companion's target.

Use all of your high damage cooldowns right off the bat... with a large pull (the 1st pull is the hardest, IMO), you need to get some mobs dead ASAp.

Also, I can't stress this enough - for the 1st pull especially, be sure to remember to use your 15 minute ability that you can activate when your companion is out; this helps your HP regen much faster. If you have Sacrifice/Unity (Legacy rewards for reaching lightside/darkside rank 5), make sure you;re using those well.

My last bit of advice is to make sure your companions have decent gear. If not, you may want to invest time/money into improving a companion's set of gear. IT may be tedious, but it pays off in the long-term (with a geared companion, you can do quests much easier/solo, and therefore make credits faster).
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peterjohndevries
05.20.2012 , 01:20 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Shlamorel View Post
I just wanted to add some specific tips since you were asking for specifics

I don't know what specs you and your friends are, so that complicates the advice i can give you. I'm just going to assume you're both DPS because I think that presents the hardest scenario.

If you're both DPS, you ideally have a tank and healer companion between the two of you. If this is the case, I'd reccomend sending the tank companion in while the healing companion heals him. You and your friend will need to attack your tank companion's target.

Use all of your high damage cooldowns right off the bat... with a large pull (the 1st pull is the hardest, IMO), you need to get some mobs dead ASAp.

Also, I can't stress this enough - for the 1st pull especially, be sure to remember to use your 15 minute ability that you can activate when your companion is out; this helps your HP regen much faster. If you have Sacrifice/Unity (Legacy rewards for reaching lightside/darkside rank 5), make sure you;re using those well.

My last bit of advice is to make sure your companions have decent gear. If not, you may want to invest time/money into improving a companion's set of gear. IT may be tedious, but it pays off in the long-term (with a geared companion, you can do quests much easier/solo, and therefore make credits faster).
we are tank guardian and dps vanguard. I agree that the gear upgrade helps immensely as does the command stim - that with the cantina cocktail raises my companion by 2000 HP.

I'm still curious when people say they have 'beat' this with two people whether they mean - beat it with multiple deaths or .... ? yes, we can wittle it down since it is an instanced zone. Good advice on remembering to use both heroic moment and my legacy sacrifice to heal (only good thing they have for being a dark jedi!)

Problem in general with companions is they are just too damn random if you are not paying attention. Invariably you can have them attack the thing you are attacking at start if you are careful but they will almost always wonder off and attack something else BEFORE the focused attack is finished.....and it is very difficult to control your healer....for some reason they LOVE to heal my partner before they heal me!