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I don't understand how a Sith society could exist.

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I don't understand how a Sith society could exist.

gabarooni's Avatar

05.16.2012 , 07:19 PM | #1
Really I mean no one trusts anyone,everyone is out to get everyone, muder is rampant and secretly encouraged, the proudest moment of a Teachers life is when their student tries to kill them, and even when surrounded by hundreds of other Sith each one stands alone.

Really how could any Society not only Exist but at some points in time Thrive? Not to mention the fact that they some how achieve Cities and galaxy wide space travel and super technology.

Just seems a bit far fetched for me i've read every book from The Dark Nest trilogy to Apocalypse and it still dosen't possible to me that they have ever managed to bring their society out of the dark ages lol.

P.S. Im a bad spell but I dont care

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05.16.2012 , 10:20 PM | #2
Darth 1: Hey what's up man?
Darth 2: Nothing much. Just killed my master and training a new apprentice who may or may not one day kill me. You?
Darth 1: I'm already dead! *Looks down to hole in chest* *falls down*

Lewisgil's Avatar

05.16.2012 , 10:30 PM | #3
During the times when there were actually Sith Empires, there were laws forbidding murder that if broken were met with swift and harsh punishment. Don't forget, people in general prefer order to chaos. EDIT: That did not stop people from using subversion and lack of witnesses to kill their opponents.

However, this way of life allowed for the power of the Sith to become diluted over time. The weak would band together to kill the strong, hence the Rule of Two. You absolutely had to be stronger in some way shape or form than your Master to kill him. This system begat some of the most powerful Sith in the entire history of the Order.
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05.17.2012 , 12:54 AM | #4
The Sith are like a gang. Gang members are only loyal if the gang is doing good and members are getting something out of it however you always have to watch your back even from your own gang since any sign of weakness will get you killed

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05.17.2012 , 01:20 AM | #5
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05.17.2012 , 01:49 AM | #6
It's called survival of the wickedest. Worked pretty well the past few thousand years. And as most of the EU has shown us, it's still works even after Palpatine got defenestrated.

So yeah, it works. Quite well.
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05.17.2012 , 08:13 PM | #7
The Sith survive, because of constant warfare.
The mistrust and selfishness hones a Sith's skill.
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05.18.2012 , 08:01 AM | #8
two points on this,

1) its the empire, made up of millions/billions/trillions (alot anyway) of citizens, of which very few are sith. the internal power struggles of some hokey religion probably goes un-noticed by most. all they know is the emperor is in charge, and the rest come and go

2) never let facts get in the way of a good story. it probably wouldn't work in the real world, but then again neither would building a deathstar
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05.18.2012 , 08:19 AM | #9
The Venetian Court at the time of Niccolo Macchiavelli was in many ways similar to the Sith Empire, and I would not be too surprised to find that it was an inspiration for the political behaviour of the Sith.

The day-to-day running of the Sith Empire is mostly/entirely handled by the Imperial Army (in the case of occupied or contested planets), or by the Bureaucrats (in the case of a settled/undisputed planet). They tend to keep things ticking along with a minimum of overt corruption or fuss, and lose their jobs and lives when a Sith comes along and finds a reason to kill them.
The Sith (not the race per se, but the Force users who are members of the Sith religion) engage in some internecine fighting within their own power structure, either to gain promotion or influence, or to protect themselves from the machinations of other Sith. There are some notable exceptions - the academic types who are more interested in scrabbling around in the dirt trying to find out if Marka Ragnos really DID have syphillis or if it was just a vicious rumour - and these are typically left alone by the other Sith because they have no power base to take over and therefore represent neither a threat or an opportunity.

When faced with an external enemy that is capable of threatening the Empire, the Sith infighting will tend to take a back seat to the idea of working together to overcome the external threat (i.e. the Galactic Republic) while still looking for ways to advance their own cause against rivals without badly damaging the overall organism. The problem is that before the "Rule of 2", you have very few absolute leaders (the Emperor basically, plus the Dark Council... which itself is internally subject to the same internecine fighting and self-serving machinations), and a large group of followers-who-would-be-leaders in all the Darths, Lords, and apprentices (look to the manoevering and conversations by Zash after the death of the Darth, and the subsequent conversations with Darth Thanaton as an example).

As an external enemy increases in threat, the Sith will unite further to preserve the overall power base. But as the external enemy becomes weaker or nears defeat, the Sith will gradually revert to normal and look out more for their own interests. As a result, it may be impossible for the Empire to ever totally defeat the Republic without the Rule of 2 and the machinations of Palpatine - in the time of SWTOR, if the Empire every looked like it might be subduing the Republic, then the Sith would probably start manoevering, plotting, murdering, doing whatever they can to climb a few rungs of the Sith ladder, thus negatively impacting the Sith religion and its ability to prosecute their elements of the war against the Republic.
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05.18.2012 , 08:32 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by grandmthethird View Post
1) its the empire, made up of millions/billions/trillions (alot anyway) of citizens, of which very few are sith. the internal power struggles of some hokey religion probably goes un-noticed by most. all they know is the emperor is in charge, and the rest come and go
The Sith are the ruling class and as such are very much in the spotlight. You better believe that any power struggles between any middle to high ranking Sith are well known. If only for the fact the citizens will want to know which one wins the struggle. You definitely don't want to make the mistake of saying you are a supporter of Lord/Darth X after Lord/Darth Y killed him, it would be very detrimental to your survival. Especially if a Kaggath is called, those who were loyal to the losing Sith were summarily executed.

Just because the Sith are fewer in numbers than the mundanes and the Emperor is the HSIC, that does not mean each Sith doesn't have authority and some measure of power over the citizens. If even a Sith Apprentice were to say jump to an Imperial, the only suitable response is to jump until that Sith is satisfied.

So, to say the affairs of the Sith go unnoticed by the Imperials is far from accurate. The Imperials just don't go looking to get in the middle of said affairs.
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