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Will Bioware do anything about hacking?

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Will Bioware do anything about hacking?

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Buffdog
06.12.2012 , 07:09 AM | #81
At this point, it is about damage control. What can Bioware do to help us regain confidence in SWTOR? I have honestly gotten to the point that I have seen so many legitimate hacks, that I am putting more effort into looking for hacks than I am playing objectives. I had a round of hutt-ball and a partial recruit gear'd baby 50 scored 3 goals in the first 2 minutes of the game. He and his 13,500 health just ran right through fire and it didn't phase him. We could attack him, and do damage after he scored, but he sat invisible and his team would get the ball and then throw it to him. He would come out of invis, catch the ball and just run w/ it. Slow's didn't effect him, he used force speed twice in under 30 seconds, and walked at regular speed through fire and his health didn't move. I understand how force-bubble works or how a healer can put back the health that the fire subtracts, but that means that the health bar will be moving. This guy's didn't move at all. He walked in w/ 90% and out with 90%. I have a lvl 50 shadow w/ full war-hero gear, and if I sprint through the fire with full health (19,700), I will be at half or a quarter before I exit the other side.

I called them out in game and another of his teamates replied by saying that they were healing him. Well, that might have held stock if the healer too, wasn't a squishy baby 50 in recruit gear also and couldn't heal anyone faster than we could burst them down, much less the fire pit.

After I called them out, they only scored one more goal, and the whole rest of the game, I didn't see that player go near fire pits. If they were legit and were doing nothing wrong, then why change a proven strategy? Why care if you are reported? I told them that it looked fishy and I would just let bioware investigate and see. If I found a tactic that worked in Huttball and it wasn't illegal or a cheat, I would do it every time.

Bioware needs to do something to prove to us that they can police they're game. I am not getting paid to police they're game. In fact, I am paying them to police they're game and getting nothing for it but anger and frustration. They need to openly admit there is a problem. Fix they problem. Then, prove to us that there are measures in place to prevent the problem from returning to the level it is now.

Keep the suggestions coming.

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Ossos
06.12.2012 , 07:19 AM | #82
First off, some of these things aren't even hacks.

Secondly, and what SO MANY PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE SO LET ME SPLAIN IT TO YOU...

There is simply too much data stored client side. It's not like WoW where the clients get the maps, models, UI, and text but nearly everything else is server side...oh no no no. In SWTOR, there is a grip of data...a whole avalanche...a massive treasure trove of data that is stored client side (on the player's computer). Meaning that this game is ripe for hacking and there is NOTHING NOTHING NADDA, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH that Bioware can do about it.

Couple that with that there is no way to report hacking (including videos, data, names, places, times, etc.) without BW coming down on the person reporting them with proof...and you end up with a game that is hacked.


Welcome to Half Life. Get used to it. IT WILL NOT CHANGE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
Preventing Hackers and Exploiters from ruining the game is not a priority. Preventing you from mentioning the fact that they exist and go unpunished is.

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Ahhmyface
06.12.2012 , 07:34 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Ossos View Post
First off, some of these things aren't even hacks.

Secondly, and what SO MANY PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE SO LET ME SPLAIN IT TO YOU...

There is simply too much data stored client side. It's not like WoW where the clients get the maps, models, UI, and text but nearly everything else is server side...oh no no no. In SWTOR, there is a grip of data...a whole avalanche...a massive treasure trove of data that is stored client side (on the player's computer). Meaning that this game is ripe for hacking and there is NOTHING NOTHING NADDA, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH that Bioware can do about it.

Couple that with that there is no way to report hacking (including videos, data, names, places, times, etc.) without BW coming down on the person reporting them with proof...and you end up with a game that is hacked.


Welcome to Half Life. Get used to it. IT WILL NOT CHANGE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
I wish people who lack technical knowledge would stop pretending to be experts. Every hack can be patched, after the fact. Do you honestly think (even presuming that the source of hacks is clientside data) that bioware is incapable of moving that data to the server instead? Whether or not it decreases game performance or increases server resources or requires significant development that they may not want to expend the cash for is a whole different matter. It's always a game of catchup. But it's absolutely possible.

Second, as usual with hacking, there is a distinct lack of evidence. There is no authority on hacks, there is no compiled list, there is no video evidence. 99% of suspected hacks turn out to be *gasp* users not fully understanding all the game mechanics. And the other 0.9% turn out to be lag or extremely rare bugs. If the hackers were really as blatant as everyone claims, there WOULD BE MORE EVIDENCE.
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Ossos
06.12.2012 , 07:55 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Ahhmyface View Post
I wish people who lack technical knowledge would stop pretending to be experts. Every hack can be patched, after the fact. Do you honestly think (even presuming that the source of hacks is clientside data) that bioware is incapable of moving that data to the server instead? Whether or not it decreases game performance or increases server resources or requires significant development that they may not want to expend the cash for is a whole different matter. It's always a game of catchup. But it's absolutely possible.

Second, as usual with hacking, there is a distinct lack of evidence. There is no authority on hacks, there is no compiled list, there is no video evidence. 99% of suspected hacks turn out to be *gasp* users not fully understanding all the game mechanics. And the other 0.9% turn out to be lag or extremely rare bugs. If the hackers were really as blatant as everyone claims, there WOULD BE MORE EVIDENCE.
Oh I agree. But since they've laid-off a truckload of Devs, and are AS WE SPEAK doing their best to save their game. It's likely that there will be no money set aside for data transfers to the server-side; especially if the net effect is negative game performance. So, for the foreseeable future, hackers will run amok. All packet sniffers are GO!

Now, as for your take on people reporting hacking. I totally agree. Look at the first post on this page. The person is reporting a Sintank as a hacker when it's just the way the class works.

As for reporting hacks...I've posted this to no end. You, as a player, CANNOT post the following without getting a 1-3 day ban, or at least a nasty-gram:
  • Post a video of someone hacking
  • Post a screenshot of someone hacking
  • Post your combat log of you taking damage while someone who is hacking has been beating on you
  • Callout a hacker in a thread by any comination of the following, Name, Server, or Time+location+server
  • Email to Bioware CS a video of someone hacking
  • Email to Bioware CSa screenshot of someone hacking
  • Email to Bioware CS your combat log of you taking damage while someone who is hacking has been beating on you
  • Email to Bioware CS calling out a hacker in a thread by any comination of the following, Name, Server, or Time+location+server

So once again. Bioware will NOT ALLOW you to post proof of hacking on their forums, nor links to that proof. BW will not respond to your direct emails on the subject in a positive manner.

Sorry, but in all cases of actual hacking the "Fraps or it doesn't exist argument" results in nothing but a forum post edited by the forum moderators, and a ban/nasty-gram for the person who posted it.

Had you been paying attention December thru February, you would know this.

So....Packet Sniffers are go!
Preventing Hackers and Exploiters from ruining the game is not a priority. Preventing you from mentioning the fact that they exist and go unpunished is.

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Swidgin
06.12.2012 , 08:40 AM | #85
99.9% of all "HACKS" in SWTOR are L2P issues.

That said they're are some still out there, I just haven't seen um yet is all.
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Krenzik
06.14.2012 , 05:36 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Swidgin View Post
99.9% of all "HACKS" in SWTOR are L2P issues.

That said they're are some still out there, I just haven't seen um yet is all.
More lying. We all know better. Thank you. It's not half as rampant in my pvp experiences on Fatman since May or so, but it's there. I don't even know why you feel the need to say this to protect yourself or your hacking friends/guildies. You're not going to get permabanned from the game. The development team encourages hacking. Their behavior and actions toward those doing it indicate this to be so.
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NTep
06.16.2012 , 04:53 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Ossos View Post
Oh I agree. But since they've laid-off a truckload of Devs, and are AS WE SPEAK doing their best to save their game. It's likely that there will be no money set aside for data transfers to the server-side; especially if the net effect is negative game performance. So, for the foreseeable future, hackers will run amok. All packet sniffers are GO!

Now, as for your take on people reporting hacking. I totally agree. Look at the first post on this page. The person is reporting a Sintank as a hacker when it's just the way the class works.

As for reporting hacks...I've posted this to no end. You, as a player, CANNOT post the following without getting a 1-3 day ban, or at least a nasty-gram:
  • Post a video of someone hacking
  • Post a screenshot of someone hacking
  • Post your combat log of you taking damage while someone who is hacking has been beating on you
  • Callout a hacker in a thread by any comination of the following, Name, Server, or Time+location+server
  • Email to Bioware CS a video of someone hacking
  • Email to Bioware CSa screenshot of someone hacking
  • Email to Bioware CS your combat log of you taking damage while someone who is hacking has been beating on you
  • Email to Bioware CS calling out a hacker in a thread by any comination of the following, Name, Server, or Time+location+server

So once again. Bioware will NOT ALLOW you to post proof of hacking on their forums, nor links to that proof. BW will not respond to your direct emails on the subject in a positive manner.

Sorry, but in all cases of actual hacking the "Fraps or it doesn't exist argument" results in nothing but a forum post edited by the forum moderators, and a ban/nasty-gram for the person who posted it.

Had you been paying attention December thru February, you would know this.

So....Packet Sniffers are go!
What's really funny is I was talking to a gm that asked me if I had a video of a player hacking. At the time I didnt even have a recording program, but then went out and got one. Made a video of a speed hacker, sent to gm, and they sent me a message back saying that they understand how frusterating it can be to watch players constantly hack and exploit the game, and they wanna thank me for my vigilance, but they cant act on behalf of my video, regardless of how blatant or obvious it may be"

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Zez-Kai-Ell
08.16.2012 , 10:31 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by NTep View Post
What's really funny is I was talking to a gm that asked me if I had a video of a player hacking. At the time I didnt even have a recording program, but then went out and got one. Made a video of a speed hacker, sent to gm, and they sent me a message back saying that they understand how frusterating it can be to watch players constantly hack and exploit the game, and they wanna thank me for my vigilance, but they cant act on behalf of my video, regardless of how blatant or obvious it may be"
and still people think that bw will indeed do anything about this problem? just with an answer like that from a gm we can see how much they care the game, they are simply giving motive to cheat, not punishing the refractors, just wait until free to play, you will see players in recruit killing full war hero players.

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-evx-
08.16.2012 , 11:00 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by NTep View Post
What's really funny is I was talking to a gm that asked me if I had a video of a player hacking. At the time I didnt even have a recording program, but then went out and got one. Made a video of a speed hacker, sent to gm, and they sent me a message back saying that they understand how frusterating it can be to watch players constantly hack and exploit the game, and they wanna thank me for my vigilance, but they cant act on behalf of my video, regardless of how blatant or obvious it may be"
Since you were so 'on-point' with providing CS with the video, can you post a screenshot of the ticket you filed along with the response? Like any other CS response, the ticket should be sitting in your history and should not pose any problem to post here.

Or maybe you could post the video???

Why bother posting all this nonsense?

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Satedbuffalo
08.16.2012 , 11:16 AM | #90
I've seen no hacking, just abuse of client-server latency. It happens, but it's hardly game-breaking.
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