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The Point of Qui-Gon Jinn


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Darth_Solrac
05.12.2012 , 05:33 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by chiefdano View Post
Apprentice in the rule of two isnt the same as a Jedi apprentice


Maul was a Dark Lord of the Sith, pretty bad azz in regards to fighting and force use.
That's cuz there is no Jedi apprentice, they're called Padawans.

Maul was a Darth, but there was only ever one DLS & that was Sidious. Maul was the apprentice. Trained well? Enough to kill a Jedi Master yea, but still inexperienced/young enough to show such reckless arrogance, which got em killed.

There were also 3 Sith in that time, Sidious, Tyrannus, & Maul. So the RO2 was void?
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Wolfninjajedi
05.12.2012 , 05:35 PM | #22
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Well form 4 requires much acrobatics and him being quite old makes using form 4 kind of weak. Plus Maul was younger and in his prime while Qui-gon was past his prime.
Plus the fact, Qui-Gon's plan to go into an enclosed space to where Maul wouldn't be able to use his staff backfired on him. He tried to take an advantage away, by sacrificing his own advantage....but the only thing he sacrificed was his advantage.

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There were also 3 Sith in that time, Sidious, Tyrannus, & Maul. So the RO2 was void?
No when Maul was around, Dooku was still apart of the jedi order.
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chiefdano
05.12.2012 , 05:35 PM | #23
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That's cuz there is no Jedi apprentice, they're called Padawans.

Maul was a Darth, but there was only ever one DLS & that was Sidious. Maul was the apprentice. Trained well? Enough to kill a Jedi Master yea, but still inexperienced/young enough to show such reckless arrogance, which got em killed.

There were also 3 Sith in that time, Sidious, Tyrannus, & Maul. So the RO2 was void?
Think there was 4, Plageius was still alive, I think.


Padawan/apprentice, same thing


Still not the same when it comes to Sith vs Jedi "apprentice". He is essentially an apprentice until he kills his master. But not the way most think of an apprentice
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Velaran
05.12.2012 , 05:36 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Solrac View Post
That's cuz there is no Jedi apprentice, they're called Padawans.

Maul was a Darth, but there was only ever one DLS & that was Sidious. Maul was the apprentice. Trained well? Enough to kill a Jedi Master yea, but still inexperienced/young enough to show such reckless arrogance, which got em killed.

There were also 3 Sith in that time, Sidious, Tyrannus, & Maul. So the RO2 was void?
Dooku wasn't a Sith then. That was Palpatine's master, Plagueis.

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Darth_Solrac
05.12.2012 , 05:40 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by chiefdano View Post
Think there was 4, Plageius was still alive, I think.


Padawan/apprentice, same thing


Still not the same when it comes to Sith vs Jedi "apprentice". He is essentially an apprentice until he kills his master. But not the way most think of an apprentice
Doubt that highly. Pretty sure Sidious had been the established DLS for a while when EP 1 started. His confidence, swagger, plans all said as much.

Those terms would normally be, but the fact that in this case one term belongs exclusively to 1 of those 2 polar opposite orders, makes them quite different too.
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Matth_Stil
05.12.2012 , 05:42 PM | #26
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...Plageius was still alive, I think...
Sidious killed him the night before Palpatine's return to Naboo as Chancellor, according to Mr. Luceno.
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Velaran
05.12.2012 , 05:46 PM | #27
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Doubt that highly. Pretty sure Sidious had been the established DLS for a while when EP 1 started. His confidence, swagger, plans all said as much.

Those terms would normally be, but the fact that in this case one term belongs exclusively to 1 of those 2 polar opposite orders, makes them quite different too.
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Sidious killed him the night before Palpatine's return to Naboo as Chancellor, according to Mr. Luceno.
No. In the Plagueis novel, it's revealed that Palpatine killed Plagueis at almost the exact same moment Maul was defeated.

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Darth_Solrac
05.12.2012 , 05:47 PM | #28
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No. In the Plagueis novel, it's revealed that Palpatine killed Plagueis at almost the exact same moment Maul was defeated.
Sorry, but would you mind providing a source? Link to that text in the book? For some reason I find that suspect....
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Matth_Stil
05.12.2012 , 05:52 PM | #29
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No. In the Plagueis novel, it's revealed that Palpatine killed Plagueis at almost the exact same moment Maul was defeated.
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Slamuel
05.12.2012 , 05:53 PM | #30
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I have yet to see any Jinn defenders here (makes sense), soooo I'll say it again. Worst. Jedi. Ever. Almost pointless, boring character.

His dueling skills as a Master were also apparently sub par. He was cut down by an apprentice. Yes the apprentice of Sidious, & a Darth, but an apprentice nonetheless.

His only redeeming quality for me is that he appeared to be a Grey Jedi who trolled the council.
You fail to realize that darth maul was considered one of the top sith duelists ever, and apprenticed to perhaps the most powerful sith.
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