SWTOR: Lacking in appeal for the casual gamer?

Guess it's too much to ask for friends and the soon (I Hope Very) transfers and then (perhaps) mergers.

If you want easy and casual with X-Server LFG.....

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4857376042

this was of course someone with a "Scroll of Resurrection", but should give an idea.

/cheers

And Cheers, /tilt drink

I'm a casual and I've been playing TOR since December 20th. I have also been playing WoW for over five years now and because that game is more easily accessible (cross server pve/pvp) I will be returning to it.

ZOMG. Read the article. Casuals aren't leaving the game. Players who opted out after their trial (which Bioware counted as subs) are the ones leaving. I think they chose the word "casual" because at the guild summit JO looked astonished at having to state that the average player was online for 35 hours a week (almost a full time job in his words) - not exactly casual. That is so funny.

Hey Chaps,

I am not a hardcore game by a longshot, although I do play alot, cause its so much fun, nd I have holidays now. (Im a teacher). I havent played many MMO's in my life. Age of Conan (AOC) and SWTOR, BUT I have looked into WOW and Guild Wars by exploring their forums a bit to find out more about those games. Thing is, the current conversation that is going on here on the forums goes on at all MMO's across the board.

New Players will always come and go, Old palyers will return and go, such is life. The fear of a game shutting down or going dead that you have invested hundreds of hours in is always their for the player currently playing it, and any sniff of "loosing players" will cause a panic and cross section of a problem that might not be there.

That said, I have enjoyed SWTOR tremendously. Graphics are retro nice, like Star Wars should be, it is in my opinion very casual friendly. As I got good gear, havent had to grind for money, I just do my missions and as a level 20 char (I mostly pvp, so dotn level fast) and am always in the top 3 kills with my vanguard. So yeah, I can see that the hard core pvpers have a problem with that, but I think that pvp in this game is the most balanced that I have seen. Bearin mind I am measuring it to AOC.

There are some things lacking, there will always be, hell, theres some things missing in life, and I constantly complain to the Developer, but life goes on. I enjoy this game, so much so that I will be looking at joining a guld.

Can I end this off by saying THANK YOU, to every person who comments on these forums and play this game. As it is the players that make this game enjoyable for each other. And I thoroughly enjoy this.

so if it aint meaningful acording to you it is not for casuals ? ....

I agree with you 100%. But instead of coming out with content that 90% of the population can use BioWare will do just like every other MMO and continue to release dedicated raiding guild only content like advanced flaspoints or ops and people will continue to leave in droves.

Why MMO developers can't get it in their head they can't out epic raid WoW is beyond me. Epic raiders will always prefer that game. Too many of the recent games are missing the little things like customizable mounts/vehicles, housing, etc. These things keep people occupied and occupied people stay subscribed.

what is a casual player? Is your definition the same as Biowares?

I will agree with you that they exist. I know this to be true because my guild current guild is exactly just that. A guild that won't jump all over you because you actually have a life. Says so in part of our description too. "We realize that everyone has a life outside the game and you should live it. We play for the enjoyment of the game and just to take a break from the real world." So yes, we do exist out there.

Absolutely love this!

Casual gamers are not people who only got a couple of hours per week to spend playing games. Casual gamers are more like raiders. They come in vast numbers, take a game apart with their ************ and moaning, then storm off to pillage elsewhere (= other new or casual friendly games) after a short while no matter what.

In the first couple of months of the lifespan of a game, casuals are the vocal majority of that game's community. They make suggestions centered specifically around their own point of view, ignoring the bigger picture. Since the casuals are so vocal, devs listen to them since they think the made suggestions are what most players want, then go and implement some of these suggestions.

What nobody seems to be taking into account is that since these casual players will wander off sooner rather than later, they don't really help pay the upkeep of a game. That's what the so called hardcore gamers do, who up to this point have been mostly ignored. Developers then have a hard time coming up with enough content to satisfy the hardcore crowd. "Too little, too late". So a couple of months after the casuals have left, a lot of hardcore players will leave, too. The kind of people who would have stayed if there was some diversity during the end game.

With all of this in mind I frankly don't get why developers and publishers are so eager to cater towards a crowd of people who will never keep a game alive for an extended amount of time. Is it really the tempting quick buck they're after?