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evildestroyer
05.09.2012 , 01:52 PM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkhosis View Post
If I only had a dollar for every failing MMO that had a poster post to 'Give X company time...' Well I'd be a very rich man.

Time is something no MMO has... There is a 5 month window of fail or win for any MMO and if they fail within that timeframe it's usually done for them.
Actually its more like 2-3 months window to get it right. Here is the thing for BIoware, they are going up against HUGE games like Guild Wars 2 and Diablo 3 and They knew this way in advance but failed to utilize the head start. They should have listened to player feedback but didnt and now look where we are at? 25% drop in subs since February as of late April. The only reason we didnt have a 50-75% drop in subs was because of the name STAR WARS but even with a name like that how much longer can this game last?

This entire mess could have been avoided had bioware been smart and learn form other mmos, but nope they didnt. Now i dont think they will not recover the lost subs with D3 next week and GW2 few months away. Its sad, this game had so much potential.

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Nightfalll
05.09.2012 , 01:55 PM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by kidatwood View Post
Some of you guys act like 15 bucks a month is a huge amount of money. If 15 bucks a month is that big of a deal you shouldn't be playing anyways!
In this economy, giving away our hard earned money REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT IS THE POINT.....



What part of that dont you understand?
"I wonder what you will say when SWTOR surpasses WoW in subs.

Something like Oh it will die in 2 years from now, when it doesnt you change your opinion and say Oh its 4 years." quote from DARTHDOLL 2/25/2012

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MaverickXIV
05.09.2012 , 01:56 PM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by Nytak View Post
A 25% subscriber loss in a quarter is astonishingly bad, no matter how you try and paint it.
Except, of course, if you paint it with the truth. Pretty much all MMOs lose 50% if not more of their subscriptions in the few months after release. Sure, losing them is bad in and of itself, but not when compared to the industry standard.

Cry harder, doomsayer.

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Saiaku
05.09.2012 , 01:58 PM | #144
You say "Give. Bioware. Time. "
I say this is a multihundred million dollar game from the professional studios of BioWare under the eyes of moneynazi Electronic Arts.

They have no excuse, really.

It's just junior coders without experience and choosing an unfinished Hero-engine was a poor, poor choice by the execs.

I like the game, a lot, but this is the truth.
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pairadox
05.09.2012 , 01:59 PM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by MaverickXIV View Post
Except, of course, if you paint it with the truth. Pretty much all MMOs lose 50% if not more of their subscriptions in the few months after release. Sure, losing them is bad in and of itself, but not when compared to the industry standard.

Cry harder, doomsayer.
Agree and disagree.

The problem that bioware is going to run into... is that theres several releases on the horizon. With GW2, The Secret World, and Tera online (having just released) Its like pirranahs taking bites out of their subs. While singly they may not all complete or even be on the same level (and Im not making that judgement call.) all of them together can take a significant chunk out of the sub base if they arent careful.

Its not doom. But its an issue. And one they would be foolish to ignore.
Either you work with me, or I shoot you in the face.

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Dokar
05.09.2012 , 01:59 PM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by MaverickXIV View Post
Except, of course, if you paint it with the truth. Pretty much all MMOs lose 50% if not more of their subscriptions in the few months after release. Sure, losing them is bad in and of itself, but not when compared to the industry standard.

Cry harder, doomsayer.
And haven't most of those that have ended up going free to play?

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Dezzi
05.09.2012 , 02:00 PM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by MaverickXIV View Post
Except, of course, if you paint it with the truth. Pretty much all MMOs lose 50% if not more of their subscriptions in the few months after release. Sure, losing them is bad in and of itself, but not when compared to the industry standard.

Cry harder, doomsayer.
Not just lost, but also failed to retain.

A portion of these lost subscriptions are people who just didn't find enough going on in the game to stick around past their 30 free days.

2.4 million sold. 1.3 million left playing.
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zerosaint
05.09.2012 , 02:00 PM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by MaverickXIV View Post
Except, of course, if you paint it with the truth. Pretty much all MMOs lose 50% if not more of their subscriptions in the few months after release. Sure, losing them is bad in and of itself, but not when compared to the industry standard.

Cry harder, doomsayer.
Citation needed.

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pairadox
05.09.2012 , 02:01 PM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by Saiaku View Post
You say "Give. Bioware. Time. "
I say this is a multihundred million dollar game from the professional studios of BioWare under the eyes of moneynazi Electronic Arts.

They have no excuse, really.

It's just junior coders without experience and choosing an unfinished Hero-engine was a poor, poor choice by the execs.

I like the game, a lot, but this is the truth.
There are definately some interesting technical issues with this game. Ones Ive never seen before.
Either you work with me, or I shoot you in the face.

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ISTrick
05.09.2012 , 02:07 PM | #150
Doom breeds Doom...

amiright?
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