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fujeo-finel
05.09.2012 , 12:49 AM | #1
Interrupting TM destroys any chance of scoring a kill on a target. We need TM to power up HSM and RS, which are our only viable means of doing any damage to a target. It's like dispelling Immolate for Destruction Warlocks in WoW.

Not to mention that interrupts are hardly noticeable to the BH at all. There is no obvious way to tell if you've been interrupted or if you've successfully juked an interrupt. The only way to tell is to check your quickbar. Make interrupts more noticeable to players, whether they be successful or unsuccessful.

Ability delay on Arsenal abilities makes any kind of kiting pointless, since melee will be on us before our first TM/PS/Unload fires. We have to wait half a second after stopping before we can even begin to cast an ability, and then another half second before the cast will even begin.

Unload is a terrible ability in PvP, rooting us to one spot for 3 seconds. And yet we have to use this ability for heat management and damage, which also lowers our Tracer Lock stack for RS. Yes the snare is useful but only if the target isn't already on you, and you won't be using it to get away from a melee that's on you.

Overheating is a common problem in PvP. It's easy to overheat on a single target trying to kill it, only for the target to run out of range, and another fresh target to jump you while you wait to cool down.

Concussion missile is barely worth using. A 2 second cast on a 45 second CD. Lower the cast time to 1.5 seconds and remove the cooldown, and we'll have an option for multiple targets beating on us. Jet boost should have also snare all affected targets for a short period.

7/12/12 Edit:
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The talent Power Barrier should be buffed to 4% less damage taken per stack, maxing at 20%, as well as lowering the lockout duration of interrupted abilities by 10% per stack, maxing at 50%.
I've decided that this one change is all we need to be balanced in PvP. Make this happen and Arsenal will be fine.

Oh and this:
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Tracer Missile should have it's animation change reverted.

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Sinsavz
05.09.2012 , 05:50 AM | #2
Some decent points. arsenal is a kinda gimped one trick pony in pvp however it's not as bad as you make it out.

Heat, for example, is not an issue with arsenal. It's probably the most resource efficient spec I've played in the game, as long as you have plenty of crit and the 15% tracer crit set bonus which is essential. (I still see people using the 4 piece pvp eliminator...that is doing it wrong). You can still pump out unrivalled damage IF left alone, but yeah as you say the moment someone breaths near us we crumble like a piece of paper.

In my opinion one of the biggest reasons it seems that mercs are going backwards is because of the large number of fotm sentinels and assassins that people are rolling now. They've always torn us apart, but if there was only 1 or 2 in a warzone then it was manageable. Now you have 5+ on the enemy team in every single wz and it's really showing us up.

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Hallowtip
05.10.2012 , 09:59 AM | #3
I agree with everything you say. All of those issues existed pre 1.2 also, maybe not so many heat issues, But Bio decided to listen to the QQ of all the other class's when all it ever took to stop any Arsenal in pvp was a Interrupt or a knock back or a stun how many class's have that, oh all of them? Now post 1.2c you dont have to try when it comes to killing a BH in pvp trust me and reroll to Mara like they want and see. I interrupt your TM and you are a JOKE but thats where bio wants us for some reason.

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DEuZZ
05.10.2012 , 10:54 AM | #4
+1 i agree.
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fujeo-finel
05.10.2012 , 04:01 PM | #5
Heh just remembered Jet Boost already has a 50% snare component. Sure fooled me.

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fujeo-finel
05.18.2012 , 09:57 PM | #6
After thinking things through a bit, I've realised the spec needs a workable, reliable snare, and having one would go a long way to solve our problems. So here's my suggestion.

Take the snare off Unload and apply it to HSM, buff it to a 50% snare over 4-5 seconds.
Lower the CD of HSM to 10 seconds, which would also give Arsenal a bit more to do besides spamming TM.

This will essentially give us the ability to keep a target snared for 50% of the time, which given the amount of gap closers and CC currently in-game, isn't too unreasonable.

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TrooperSev
05.19.2012 , 07:22 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by fujeo-finel View Post
After thinking things through a bit, I've realised the spec needs a workable, reliable snare, and having one would go a long way to solve our problems. So here's my suggestion.

Take the snare off Unload and apply it to HSM, buff it to a 50% snare over 4-5 seconds.
Lower the CD of HSM to 10 seconds, which would also give Arsenal a bit more to do besides spamming TM.

This will essentially give us the ability to keep a target snared for 50% of the time, which given the amount of gap closers and CC currently in-game, isn't too unreasonable.
The problem in you suggestion would be that pve arsenal mercs would do way too much dmg if hsm cd was lowered. Don't forget that any change made for pvp is also changed for pve.
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fujeo-finel
05.21.2012 , 06:51 PM | #8
Respecced Pyro, the difference is night and day.

Why the hell does Arsenal do such crap damage in PvP? TM just doesn't do enough damage for a main, casted ability that isn't supported by any DoTs, and doesn't benefit from any crit modifier talents. If an ability is casted, it needs to be doing more damage than comparable instants, say, instant melee attacks. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about this. Our proc ability Unload is a complete waste of time to use in PvP, compared to Pyro's RS. Thermal Detonator can be used on CD at full damage, whereas HSM needs 5 stacks of heat sigs to do comparable damage, and should be doing a lot more damage with 5 stacks. Pyro has a workable snare, on top of most of it's attacks being instant, yet the spec more reliant on sitting in one spot to cast doesn't have one. Why the hell give a spec that has a wide range on instants a snare, while not giving the spec reliant on casts anything? You cannot hope to do any sort of kiting with a caster class without any kind of reliable snare. Again, what is so hard to understand about this?

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fujeo-finel
05.24.2012 , 04:52 AM | #9
Knockbacks should not fill resolve, as they do not prevent the target from performing any actions. If knockbacks fill resolve, than interrupts should also fill resolve.

The talent Jet Boost should be buffed to reduce the cooldown of Determination by 1min. Most other popular PvP specs have two "trinkets". This will give Arsenal the same amount over time, only you'll only be able to use one at a time.

The talent Power Overrides should be buffed to reduce the cooldown of Concussion Charge by 100%. Only one target can be CC'ed with Concussion Missile at a time. Give Arsenal and Gunnery a CC niche.

Change Barrage to give Tracer Missile a 33%/66%/100% chance to lower the activation time of your next Unload by 0.5 seconds. Stacks 3 times.

Change Riddle to remove the cooldown on Unload.

The talent Pinning Fire should be changed to give Heatseeker Missiles a 50%/100% chance to slow the target's movement speed by 50% for 5 seconds. A snare on HSM would be much more useful than on Unload.

The talent Power Barrier should be buffed to 4% less damage taken per stack, maxing at 20%, as well as lowering the lockout duration of interrupted abilities by 10% per stack, maxing at 50%.

Heatseeker Missiles and Rail Shot should have their cooldowns lowered to 10 seconds.

The talent Target Tracking needs to be fixed for Unload.

Casting delays after running/stopping need to be fixed. Specifically, interrupting a cast via strafing should also reset the GCD.

And finally, Tracer Missile should have it's animation change reverted.

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Ifrit
05.25.2012 , 01:28 PM | #10
The purpose of BH is supposed to be crazy high dps with low utility (snares/interrupts) that can also be shutdown easy with interrupts. It is based on high risk and reward system to add balance. As it is now the dps is too low; however once buffed, the class will be closer to the design.