Well after years of waiting I finally played the game and dinged 50.

I hit PVP at 50 and get killed in 2 seconds. I get thrown in with the wolves. Unlike WoW where they matched you up to your ability when you hit 60. And they would NOT buff everyone's stats. You used the gear you EARNED. SWTOR is very 'communist'.. they want everyone to be the same power and get the same gear (with the Marauder being the exception.). They want the children to 'play nice' and did everything possibly to keep players separated from one another through the whole game. I can't stress how much fun this took out of the game.

The PVP uses no skill.. it's just one big cluster ** with people 80 yards away shooting you for 3000k damage from a laser shot. Then the most powerful DPS classes stealth crit for 2500k max. Keep in mind the healthbar is 15k or so. The Sith Assassin is visably ALWAYS clustered at the bottom of the charts after a match and Bioware refuses to do anything about this when it's VERY CLEAR the class is useless (not underpowered, I'm talking USELESS as the class does nothing of use.. no healing, no dps.)

This compared to WoW where a single crit can empty like half of your bar IF you worked for it and paid your dues grinding for the gear. In this game there are barely any PVP sets, no reward for your efforts. No capture the flag. And most of all, it's just not fun. There's never been an LOL moment or a 'cose call' or something exciting happen. No one in chat has fun and there's rarely any LOL's in the chat window. People are disgruntled who are playing.

I can't sell anything in the auction house either. The game gives WAY too much free stuff out to players so there's no natural economy. More socialism/communism. All that does is make me feel the auction house is useless and makes the game un fun.

I can't explain it. The game just isn't fun. Playing WoW back in the day there were so many PVP moments that were LOL. We would yell and scream playing capture the flag and we got grouped into our appropriate levels. It was rock paper scissors so I could take out certain classes easily and I got to use the gear I worked towards.

This game is completely different. It's not fun. It's annoying in a bad way. All my gear and everything I worked towards is useless. There's no world PVP AT ALL almost (yes I'm on Fatman.. the busiest server). You won't find those WoW shared areas were all the fun happened (remember Booty Bay? where did you have any kind of fun like that on this game?).

We would QQ about WoW back in the day but that was more or less nit picking.. but this game??? SWTOR is seriously a flawed game that was obviously under poor direction and management. Like think about it. I'm trying to buy something at the auction and I get sick and die when there are so many issues to fix on this game they are working on legacy systems and an idiotic sickness angle. It's very clear that someone doesn't understand gaming or priorities.

Anyhow, I'm just.. not having fun playing. That's the best way to say it. So far I have NOT had fun playing either. All the work I put into my toon is wasted. I'll never know what the true power of his gear is. I'll never get to utilize it. Not in world PVP, not in Warzones. Who knows what the 820 melee number means? It's a useless number to me. All my effort wasted. Everyone running around in the exact same gear... communist. No individuality.

So what's the point of continuing to play?

The point of keeping playing is to have fun...

If you are not having fun I suggest you find another game to have fun on Play what you love, love what you play

wait you have an assassin and you are saying this?

l2p

wait you have an assassin and you are saying this?

 

l2p

He hasn't figured out that he has to spec tank and wear recruit dps gear yet for pvp.

I just can't take someone serious who thinks pvp 'fun' is one-shottign someone.

oh, and depending on which class you play and your oponent plays I can assure you there ARE combos where you lose half your healthbar with one stab... eh.. I mean attack... +cough+

Just... LOL. Sorry.

Statboost bring all players to level 49, because there are only 2 "sets" of Warzones: 10-49 and 50. At 50 the PvP is the same as in WoW: 20% skill and 80% gear.

It seems that you have absolute no gear. Expertise (?, sorry don´t know the english name) decrease damage taken from players up to 20% and increase damage and healing done to players up to 15% (i think this was the nombers, sorry if i mistake them a little bit). There is no item-communism at level 50. In Endgame it is all abount gear, PvP and PvE wise. And the Item-loop tunrs and turns any new patch a little more, just like in WoW.

sounds like your looking for a game that revolves completely around the pvp you want and you have not found it. If you are having that much dislike for what you have seen, why are you still here? Go back to WoW and pvp there if you like it so much more because they have had 10+ years of sets to come out with.

The PVP uses no skill.. it's just one big cluster ** with people 80 yards away shooting you for 3000k damage from a laser shot. Then the most powerful DPS classes stealth crit for 2500k max. Keep in mind the healthbar is 15k or so. The Sith Assassin is visably ALWAYS clustered at the bottom of the charts after a match and Bioware refuses to do anything about this when it's VERY CLEAR the class is useless (not underpowered, I'm talking USELESS as the class does nothing of use.. no healing, no dps.)

If you think that is bad, you should have tried anarchy online when it first came out where an agent (similar to a sniper in this game as far as weapons go) could pretty much anniliate anybody in the game (including the high HP tanks) with just 3 attacks and then dissapear to do the same thing in the next 15 seconds.

Get around 300k of credits, go to fleet, buy your recruit gear.

Voila, you get 800 expertise, you can now start grinding BM gear.

Wait a second, what is the point? That you have dinged to 50 and you complain because you can beat people that have been playing PVP in SWTOR for long time and they have more experience and better gear? Serioulsy you were expecting that after level up to 50 you will gonna beat everyone else without so much experience and with a crappy gear (15k is crap today).

Please, would be the next? I recently dinged up to 50 and i cant solo Explosive Conflict HM :_((( ?

WELL I WILL GO FOR AN old CLASSIC

bye , err before you go can i have your stuff ?

Get around 300k of credits, go to fleet, buy your recruit gear.

 

Voila, you get 800 expertise, you can now start grinding BM gear.

sad thing is the recruti gear is way better than the old pvp gear lol i really do not see why the op is crying about pvp.. assassins are one of the most pains in my butt to kill in pvp..maybe hes playing a different game than all of the other assassins ive fought:P

Sounds like Guild Wars 2 PVP system may be what your after OP. TOR copied WOW's formula of gear based PVP. GW2 normalizes everyones stats and gear, regardless of gear in outside of PVP. Its more how you build your character and weapons you select and your skill as a player.

Different strokes different folks.

The Sith Assassin is visably ALWAYS clustered at the bottom of the charts after a match and Bioware refuses to do anything about this when it's VERY CLEAR the class is useless (not underpowered, I'm talking USELESS as the class does nothing of use.. no healing, no dps.)

You blame "communism" in swtor wanting to make everyone equal, and then you go on ranting about what's the combination of not knowing how to play and not having the same gear everyone else you fight in 50 do. So you are complaining about your complaining. Amusing.

How about learning to play better and read the different threads and information available on the forum? Or, alternatively, you can post your complaints again and entertain us even more.

sad thing is the recruti gear is way better than the old pvp gear

Recruit gear is still crap. You'll get beaten around silly by people in augmented wh.

Wait what? You are an assassin and your at the bottom of the charts??? LOL I play an infiltration shadow (the most squishiest DPS class out there) and I am 90% at the time top 1 in the charts! What are you doing wrong??

I've never said this before to anyone because I don't like it, but seriously l2p.

Well after years of waiting I finally played the game and dinged 50.

 

I hit PVP at 50 and get killed in 2 seconds. I get thrown in with the wolves. Unlike WoW where they matched you up to your ability when you hit 60. And they would NOT buff everyone's stats. You used the gear you EARNED. SWTOR is very 'communist'.. they want everyone to be the same power and get the same gear (with the Marauder being the exception.). They want the children to 'play nice' and did everything possibly to keep players separated from one another through the whole game. I can't stress how much fun this took out of the game.

 

The PVP uses no skill.. it's just one big cluster ** with people 80 yards away shooting you for 3000k damage from a laser shot. Then the most powerful DPS classes stealth crit for 2500k max. Keep in mind the healthbar is 15k or so. The Sith Assassin is visably ALWAYS clustered at the bottom of the charts after a match and Bioware refuses to do anything about this when it's VERY CLEAR the class is useless (not underpowered, I'm talking USELESS as the class does nothing of use.. no healing, no dps.)

 

This compared to WoW where a single crit can empty like half of your bar IF you worked for it and paid your dues grinding for the gear. In this game there are barely any PVP sets, no reward for your efforts. No capture the flag. And most of all, it's just not fun. There's never been an LOL moment or a 'cose call' or something exciting happen. No one in chat has fun and there's rarely any LOL's in the chat window. People are disgruntled who are playing.

 

I can't sell anything in the auction house either. The game gives WAY too much free stuff out to players so there's no natural economy. More socialism/communism. All that does is make me feel the auction house is useless and makes the game un fun.

 

I can't explain it. The game just isn't fun. Playing WoW back in the day there were so many PVP moments that were LOL. We would yell and scream playing capture the flag and we got grouped into our appropriate levels. It was rock paper scissors so I could take out certain classes easily and I got to use the gear I worked towards.

 

This game is completely different. It's not fun. It's annoying in a bad way. All my gear and everything I worked towards is useless. There's no world PVP AT ALL almost (yes I'm on Fatman.. the busiest server). You won't find those WoW shared areas were all the fun happened (remember Booty Bay? where did you have any kind of fun like that on this game?).

 

We would QQ about WoW back in the day but that was more or less nit picking.. but this game??? SWTOR is seriously a flawed game that was obviously under poor direction and management. Like think about it. I'm trying to buy something at the auction and I get sick and die when there are so many issues to fix on this game they are working on legacy systems and an idiotic sickness angle. It's very clear that someone doesn't understand gaming or priorities.

 

Anyhow, I'm just.. not having fun playing. That's the best way to say it. So far I have NOT had fun playing either. All the work I put into my toon is wasted. I'll never know what the true power of his gear is. I'll never get to utilize it. Not in world PVP, not in Warzones. Who knows what the 820 melee number means? It's a useless number to me. All my effort wasted. Everyone running around in the exact same gear... communist. No individuality.

 

So what's the point of continuing to play?

PvP is quite ridiculous now - even in the best gear. In full BM gear my Marauder gets stun/root killed in 4-5 seconds with ranged attack spam. My Operative the same, soon as I'm outta stealth I die in 4-5 seconds by mainly ranged classes all targetting me from 30 metres away.

Range classes do have a slight edge over melee due to their ablitiy to switch to any target within 30 metres instantly. This is why you'll see 3 x Force Lightning and 3 x Merc spam zoning in on a melee or other ranged class. Melee can't do that with the same speed and effect.

The biggest problem at the moment is TTK (time to kill) - its way too fast. For PvP to be of any use in group based warfare we all need another 30 - 40% hp with current burst and damage output. Not sure about healing, but it also feels pretty strong right now.

I dont share your sentiment about gear though. PvP in any MMO should never, ever be about who has the better gear which has a large impact on determining the outcome of a PvP encounter. PvP should always be about Teamwork, Skill, Tactics, Class Knowledge (not just yours), Quick Thinking. If you threw the best gear versus the mediocre gear into the mix that would probably put it first or second on the list above all the other factors. And that is why PvP should never be about who has the better gear.

He hasn't figured out that he has to spec tank and wear recruit dps gear yet for pvp.

Alot of pvp is tactics and build op. Spec like this Guy says play with your spec and rotation. Your class is very good.

Lol ok. 3 marauders vs 3 mercs who wins? 3 marauders vs 3 sorcs who wins? A class isn't op when its 3 guys focus firing that's called tactics. 3 marauders could do the same thing its not op at all. The mercs are so broken 3v1ing is probably the only way they can kill anything.

PvP is quite ridiculous now - even in the best gear. In full BM gear my Marauder gets stun/root killed in 4-5 seconds with ranged attack spam. My Operative the same, soon as I'm outta stealth I die in 4-5 seconds by mainly ranged classes all targetting me from 30 metres away.

 

Range classes do have a slight edge over melee due to their ablitiy to switch to any target within 30 metres instantly. This is why you'll see 3 x Force Lightning and 3 x Merc spam zoning in on a melee or other ranged class. Melee can't do that with the same speed and effect.

 

The biggest problem at the moment is TTK (time to kill) - its way too fast. For PvP to be of any use in group based warfare we all need another 30 - 40% hp with current burst and damage output. Not sure about healing, but it also feels pretty strong right now.

 

I dont share your sentiment about gear though. PvP in any MMO should never, ever be about who has the better gear which has a large impact on determining the outcome of a PvP encounter. PvP should always be about Teamwork, Skill, Tactics, Class Knowledge (not just yours), Quick Thinking. If you threw the best gear versus the mediocre gear into the mix that would probably put it first or second on the list above all the other factors. And that is why PvP should never be about who has the better gear.

Lol ok. 3 marauders vs 3 mercs who wins? 3 marauders vs 3 sorcs who wins? A class isn't op when its 3 guys focus firing that's called tactics. 3 marauders could do the same thing its not op at all. The mercs are so broken 3v1ing is probably the only way they can kill anything.

I never said it was OP. I am saying in Group PvP right now ranged classes can switch to a single target, be it melee or another ranged class with such speed and power and then burst that player down in around 4-5 seconds that Bioware need to balance arounf that kind of play, because esseentially thats what group PvP is - its never a fair fight of 3v3 for example (rarely anyway). And because classes like Marauders/Sents, Operatives/Scoundrels can be danagerous as soon as they pop within range of ranged DPS you will get 3-4 players focus fire that player down. That is just the nature of how ranged classes play in group PvP. Melee classes do not play like that, as we simply dont have the same speed to switch when players are spread all over the place, unless its tight knit zerg moment. I never said it was OP, but the numbers have to be balanced around that kind of gameplay. Basically TTK is way too short and needs boosting or we need way more HP on our PvP gear - at least 30% more I'd say just to make TTK slightly longer with the current burst and damage that players find themselves enduring right now even in the very best gear.

I disagree with a lot of people that say gear shouldn't have anything to do with it. The people that put the time and effort into it should have better rewards.

One thing a lot of new players don't understand is that they can't just go Rambo as soon as they hit 50. Stay with your team and you will do much better. On my sage I remember, and sometimes still do if I'm in a pug, I would either find the premade and stay with them or scroll through their gear before the match starts and stick to the person with the best gear. That person will have more experience and the chances of survival are much better.

If you are a stealth class stay with another stealth class. Let them get the opener and get focused and you help them out.

wait you have an assassin and you are saying this?

 

l2p

Word. Anyone who says assassins are 'useless' in pvp doesn't know how to play one. Or hasn't seen a competent one play huttball.