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Being squishy is not easy...

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Being squishy is not easy...

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Laforet
05.07.2012 , 07:08 AM | #11
while i agree that the OP makes a lot of mistakes it doesnt excuse for the fact that sage survivability needs help.

i mean, even with his medium skills, the OP would survive longer and probably do more damage if he were playing some other class.

with rated wzs around the corner, we know that team pvp is going to be based on focus fire and assist trains and that will make the sage class the "weak link" of the chain since he has low chances of survival and all his escapes can be countered.

for example, if a team assist trains a marauder, he can pop his godly cooldown and endure. of course he will die as soon it expires but that 5 seconds might be the time needed for his assist train destroy the opposite team.

once a sage gets trained, if the players training him are good, there is no escape. the sage cant do anything that blocks the train:

- force wave is lacklustre, its laggy and 8 meters in a game where melee can hit you in 4m range is dumb. the melee can just take 2 setps and hell be back in melee range. and good assist trains will have both melee and ranged component.
- force run will be snared or even stunned by good players, 99% of the time. were talking about rated players here. if a sage waits for his resolve bar to be filled to run hell prolly be already dead, and slows are out of resolve. not to mention grapple.
- bubble is a joke. it was good when everyone was undergeared but since it doesnt scale properly (i dont think it scales at all) it will be popped with non crit attacks from any well geared class.
- whirlind is cool to the sage specs that can proc it instant, but its cast time makes it less useful to the specs that dont proc because the sage survivalbility is such a joke that if he stops to force lift someone hes going to die.


of course teamplay is king and good sages will put decent numbers but i cant help thinking that when i go into rated wzs the sages are going to be the most difficult AC to protect.

im a assault trooper (pyro pt mirror) and sages/sorcs are the AC that i kill with most ease, its not even a challenge, u guys dies so fast that you dont even have time to fight back.

i feel for sages, its sad.

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cycao
05.07.2012 , 07:11 AM | #12
Is this a joke?

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GT-NIGHTS
05.07.2012 , 07:30 AM | #13
stop complaining about being squishy when it doesn't mater if your squishy if your server is dead or dieing

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Mackiemesser
05.07.2012 , 07:40 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghurblub View Post
Sages do fine when you play them properly. I always top dps charts and heal charts with minimal deaths. The main problem is that you suck. Well at least now Iíve finally had the opportunity to see through the eyes of someone who does <100k damage per wz.

NOTES FROM FIRST FIGHT:
In the first fight you cast bubble 6 secs before fight (should aim for 20-30 secs), you managed to cast one dot, randomly ran into them and moved around for 5 secs then cast knockback (hitting only one person), wasted cc breaker on a slow (always save for a 4 sec cc), moved around in a circle between t: 35-49 casting nothing (not a single skill asides for one wasted interrupt that hit nothing) and face-tanking them. You need to cast more than one dot and one knockback to be useful in a 20 sec fight.

Other assorted problems & semiconstructive criticism.
1. Clicker (and you keep misclicking at that)
2. Backpedalling (strafing and instants are your friends)
3. You donít use LOS/positioning
4. You donít use bubble proactively (or much at all)
5. You ignore your tele wave/tele throw procs and try to cast tele wave without a proc
6. You try to cast mind crush (untalented)
7. Please stop running back and forth while doing nothing. At least tab dot them or something.
8. You do not cast turbulence near enough (should take the place of mind crush as it does far more damage)
9. You use force speed to run into groups when you are focused (***?)
10. You never used your heals (you should always top up before fights and use LOS to heal up)
11. Use force potency more (especially for heals)
12. The only three times that you used your interrupt were against people who werenít casting (lolwut?)
13. Why the **** would you spam disturbance 20 times in a row? Please mix in dot/turbulence and tele throw/tele wave when procced
14. You only used forcequake once
15. You donít use potions/adrenals/stims at all
16. You donít keep class buffs up at all times
17. You waste all your stuns randomly instead of choosing good times to stun
18. You try to knockback a vigilance guardian after leap
19. You donít use dispel
20. You never bubble your allies
21. You play middle spec in pvp
^This

Also:
No one should expect any sort of survivability in pvp while keyboard turning, back-pedalling and clicking abilities. Binding your abilities to keys and learning how to move effectively is not a matter of personal preference it is absolutely necessary to even have any chance of success in pvp.
No matter how clunky and awkward it may feel at first you will never even have a chance of becoming a good pvp player unless you do these most basic things.

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Parathax
05.07.2012 , 08:04 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by xjaydub View Post
Real men play sage/sorc post 1.2.
Real men play female sage/sorc post 1.2, you mean. Right?

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Saelos
05.07.2012 , 08:15 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghurblub View Post
Sages do fine when you play them properly. I always top dps charts and heal charts with minimal deaths. The main problem is that you suck. Well at least now Iíve finally had the opportunity to see through the eyes of someone who does <100k damage per wz.
I liked your criticisms but what are you trying to achieve by starting off with saying this....

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KhalDrogoe
05.07.2012 , 08:23 AM | #17
Um... can't believe I'm the first one that noticed this. One of the protocol doirds sent you mail. You have a response on the ticket you submitted entitled "My Framerate is terrible help!"

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Kovaos
05.07.2012 , 10:55 AM | #18
Switch to Balance bruh! I have tried so many different specs and after 1.2 Balance is the only way to go man! Sever Force is just great, but with the DoTs and TK Throw spam the spec is very powerful.

You need to put a sticky note on your monitor thats says "Remember to LoS." When guys are casting on you step out of the way and interrupt that cast bruh!

Stop using Force Wave randomly bruh. Use it when those Maras/Juggs jump you or when a caster is casting.

Stop running into the middle of the nodes bruh.

Being a TK sage you are at a disadvantage using Disturbance all the time as a huge glowing bubble is flying every which way. Another bonus to Balance Sages is the tiny pebbles are hardly noticeable and allows us to free cast without being noticed.

Did you use any WZ adrenals? +15% is BIG.
"my friend said he got a pack of level 50 armor and all i got was level 47 pants."

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Ghurblub
05.08.2012 , 05:17 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Saelos View Post
I liked your criticisms but what are you trying to achieve by starting off with saying this....
Establishing my internet credibility while concurrently alluding to the fact that OP is bad.

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Teabaker
05.08.2012 , 05:40 AM | #20
Sage/Sorc is wayy to squishy. However, not that squishy :P Our surv comes from kiting, LOSing etc. We have Force speed, use it! We are probably the hardest class to play atm in warzones, just because we have to kite and position ourselves wisely.