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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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chaosdefined
05.07.2012 , 11:32 AM | #911
Quote: Originally Posted by Goreslash View Post
thats is just why he is sugesting it cant u see that
I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about.

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Muskaan
05.07.2012 , 11:37 AM | #912
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
People have already explained why cross-server group finder is bad on the forums. For reasonable people with common sense, they will understand it. For unreasonable people who don't listen to anyone but themselves, no amount of "explaining" will convince them.
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mothear
05.07.2012 , 11:41 AM | #913
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
..... how would a LFG tool or a cross server one negatively impact you?
For simplicities sake lets say there are 10 jerks per server equally divided so 5 jerks on each faction. With same server it's quite easy to isolate those jerks from my play. However with x-server I'm then (being on an EU server) faced with coming across 455 jerks! Yes, I can put them on ignore, hopefully all, but my play will be impaired for a much longer period of time whilst my ignore list fills up.

Yes obviously x-server allows for a more timely instance however I'd prefer to take a little longer and stay same realm, for the moment. You can say make a toggle and we can have the best of both worlds, well I've already stated above why I believe that that doesn't create a level playing field. Obviously you don't accept that but sticking your head in the sand and refusing to accept that other people have these concerns just brings us in circles.

Bioware are already working on a same server LFG but you just wont give it a chance, I understand that. I'm willing to wait and see if it, together with transfers will work. If it doesn't I'll grudgingly support a x-server tool.

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Mallorik
05.07.2012 , 11:52 AM | #914
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
For simplicities sake lets say there are 10 jerks per server equally divided so 5 jerks on each faction. With same server it's quite easy to isolate those jerks from my play. However with x-server I'm then (being on an EU server) faced with coming across 455 jerks! Yes, I can put them on ignore, hopefully all, but my play will be impaired for a much longer period of time whilst my ignore list fills up.

Yes obviously x-server allows for a more timely instance however I'd prefer to take a little longer and stay same realm, for the moment. You can say make a toggle and we can have the best of both worlds, well I've already stated above why I believe that that doesn't create a level playing field. Obviously you don't accept that but sticking your head in the sand and refusing to accept that other people have these concerns just brings us in circles.

Bioware are already working on a same server LFG but you just wont give it a chance, I understand that. I'm willing to wait and see if it, together with transfers will work. If it doesn't I'll grudgingly support a x-server tool.
I would be fine with waiting for them to figure out that a same server lfg tool wont work and that they have to make it x-server. If this was 3 or 4 months ago.

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gurugeorge
05.07.2012 , 06:15 PM | #915
Incidentally, what's wrong with the LFG tool that's already in the game? You can search for all flagged LFG in your zone, or for a selection of people on your server. People who flag themselves LFG aren't usually averse to a quick, polite private tell. But even people who haven't set their flag may have the same mission as you, which they have flagged, and, again, are for that purpose likely to be amenable to a quick, polite private tell. Heck, so long as you're polite and bear in mind that a person may be busy, most people aren't averse to a little conversation. (This is not like cold calling, since players are playing a massively multiplayer online game, and those intent on soloing can easily say "not lfg" or whatever.)

And meanwhile of course you can stick the occasional lft request in general.

Automated tool is nice too, but the tool that exists is still functional for the purposes of communication.

*sigh* for all the modern era boasts of communication, it seems like communication skills are being lost in MMOs.

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Skidrowbro
05.07.2012 , 06:20 PM | #916
Quote: Originally Posted by gurugeorge View Post
Incidentally, what's wrong with the LFG tool that's already in the game? You can search for all flagged LFG in your zone, or for a selection of people on your server. People who flag themselves LFG aren't usually averse to a quick, polite private tell. But even people who haven't set their flag may have the same mission as you, which they have flagged, and, again, are for that purpose likely to be amenable to a quick, polite private tell. Heck, so long as you're polite and bear in mind that a person may be busy, most people aren't averse to a little conversation. (This is not like cold calling, since players are playing a massively multiplayer online game, and those intent on soloing can easily say "not lfg" or whatever.)

And meanwhile of course you can stick the occasional lft request in general.

Automated tool is nice too, but the tool that exists is still functional for the purposes of communication.

*sigh* for all the modern era boasts of communication, it seems like communication skills are being lost in MMOs.
Being hand held tends to do this but I have a feeling a lot of players don't even know that an LFG tool does exist right now

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Crazy_Person
05.07.2012 , 07:34 PM | #917
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
Not so much, there is a lot of emotion tied up in this question and that makes it VERY complex... plus there are hundreds of differing opinions and then shades of grey on each opinion.
The person talking was someone who asking for the other side of the story... and I tried to give him the short answer.There is a lot to everything but the arguements I made are what I have seen as the most common ones.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
Profiling people is dangerous, putting everyone in a group like this because your personal experience has been bad is a slippery slope. I have not come to that conclusion and I have been playing since Ruins of Kunark came out in EQ1.
I could have put that better... many people are jerks and when they can hide behind a charecter instead of their true reputation they are more willing to be jerks.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
This is in great debate, many people have said that if you try and post xxx is a troll or ninja, or you say it in /trade in WoW... people either do not believe you, or you get accused of being one yourself. The only people that this really has effect on is your personal buddys that you run with.
I remember a particular player back in Vanellia WOW... go into any vent server mention his name and someone would start ranting about their bad expirence with him. When all was single server... people outside of his guild did not want to team with him. This guy was horrible... did everything he could to provoke people into saying something he could report them for, made it a point to announce he was not going to work with the team in BGs, and got upset when people attacked him in the arena. (for those who don't know that is an area where once you jump in you are hostile to everyone outside of your gruop.) Allthough there was no x server at the time, he was able to get away with it becasue of his guild and his class... that kind of behavior got a lot more common when I saw the game post X server.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
This is open to huge debate also. I know many people that dont care at all about loot and if you need on something and ninja it... they just want to run with competent people and get dungeons done to get valor.
Yes... the classic play is "Nuh uh your the bad guy not me" but once a player does that enough word gets around. Having people come to one's defense is uesally a good thing. in a pug, 3 peole from 3 different guilds each tell their guilds and then they tell others... does it work 100% of the time? No. But when reptuation is important to find gruops... people are more protective of it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
Again a very dangerous statement... no proof of this is in evidence, this is your personal observation. Saying someone is more likely to harass someone due to a LFG tool? Wow...
You tell me there is no proof? Why don't you offer some proff against it? It is simple logic... if someone is a jerk and you remove the consaquences of being a jerk they will be a jerk.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
The problem with this is many people do not care about a community and just want to play the game. Many do not see a community at all, they see themselves mindlessly doing /tank LF Flashpoint xyz... and getting no group and logging off.

Which is why I said the game needs to be evaluated by the developers, find out what places aren't getting runned, what the average wait time is to find a group, how many build or fall apart... if stuff is being skipped then yes the X server is needed. With that said the right balance between playing the game, and facilitating long term teams needs to be found.


Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
Another VERY subjective point... If you are a very casual player then yes, this statement may be true, if you take the game a bit more seriously... applications and vent interviews are not only the norm... but just the beginning of being able to join a guild.

I don't see how needing to go through the getting a JOB process should be the norm in a game. Seems a lot easier and a lot more fun to actually play with the people and see if they are fun, skilled, and trainable instead of trying to figure that all out from a resume. Yes, many guilds will stick with that... but for the people who are having enough problems with that kind of stuff in the real world and don't want to deal with that in the game it is important

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
This is where it seems the point is made, everything else kind of falls by the wayside... if you cant get a group and cant do content... you wont stay subbed for this game and you will never meet people to begin with.
We agree on this.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
Yet another very dangerous idea... forcing people to do anything almost like cutting your own throat... people pay money to play how they want to play... not how they are dictated to play. That being said there is enough forced on us as is, and enough options taken away as is, it would be best not to add another one.

Setting up the game to facilitate a goal of socilization, and long term teams seems like a good goal to me. It might be hard to get hard mode content together... but people are going to clear past that slower than the level up game. And once they find a gruop hopefully they remember eachother if it goes well. I have friended a few people... they are all either to high or to low to group with atm. Different lives, different leveling paces. At endgame things change a bit.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
Very good point, I agree 100% and I think this is where the pro LFG people are standing... they just want to do content and cant with how things are now... for whatever reason, be it low pop server, anti social fleet, no one on planets... whatever the problem is.


I agree again, I have 2 50's and neither saw a FP past Black Talon on the way to 50... and trust me, I looked. I have played every FP with my Jedi Consular because I rolled her on Fatman (by far the highest pop server)
Much of hwat you said is well it is just my opnion... do you have facts to back up your point? I don't expect us to agree... but would be nice to see some numbers that are more than I offered.

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Crazy_Person
05.07.2012 , 07:38 PM | #918
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Being hand held tends to do this but I have a feeling a lot of players don't even know that an LFG tool does exist right now
Exactly... no tool is useful if people don't use it... Reminds me of the meeting stones in WOW... completely useless. If the community is not useing them, then there is something wrong... unless the dev can convince people it works and gives good results then it is a problem.

I have yet to see more than one person my level with a LFG thing on them... and when i whispered them there responce was basically "no thank you, i need to turn that thing off"

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chaosdefined
05.08.2012 , 03:11 AM | #919
Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy_Person View Post
Exactly... no tool is useful if people don't use it... Reminds me of the meeting stones in WOW... completely useless. If the community is not useing them, then there is something wrong... unless the dev can convince people it works and gives good results then it is a problem.

I have yet to see more than one person my level with a LFG thing on them... and when i whispered them there responce was basically "no thank you, i need to turn that thing off"
This has been explained before, but the current LFG tool is poorly designed. It's like bringing out an old-fashioned car with a wind up motor in todays modern age. People will complain that others are too lazy and coddled to bother with it, but the simple fact of the matter is people don't use it because it's weak.

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Skidrowbro
05.08.2012 , 07:17 AM | #920
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
but the simple fact of the matter is people don't use it because it's weak.
You can use it to scan any area you want to see who is playing and start sending out invites. God forbid having to actually go out and meet people in an MMORPG. Try doing the RPG part, that's where the fun is.

And face the facts, you don't use it because you don't want to. It's too inconvenient. Well I have some sad news for you then, SWTOR may not be for you