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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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mothear
05.06.2012 , 09:11 PM | #891
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Sorry..but it was what happened to me and was not the first time, but rather typical lately, so it does have a lot to do with a lack of a cross server tool as far as I am concerned, which I know it means nothing to you personally. If BioWare loses my sub and many others who feel like I do..because of a lack of a tool to get me to experence end game content in a timely manner...then it will be BioWare's fault. And for your info..I am not changing my char's names when I move to another server. Once again..if that is the solution..then it will be BioWare's fault.
That's fine and I have no reason to disbelieve you. I won't even suggest you are exaggerating because it is your experience, same as other people have different experiences across many games. All I was pointing out is this is not a fact as to why a x-server LFG is required.

Why would you have to change your characters name(s), are they all so special and distinct that everyone is using them on various servers?

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Valkirus
05.06.2012 , 09:11 PM | #892
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
Do you remember what your membership was at the end of WotLK. I only ask because it is much more likely, in my opinion that the increase is due to guild perks. In WoW it has become more difficult to start new guilds because people tend to gravitate towards the freebies provided from high level guilds.

I don't know whether the upcoming LFG will include operations, I had thought it was just flashpoints we were discussing. I would have thought LFG is mainly used for PUGing, not guild runs, so whilst it's a nice story I wouldn't have thought it has any bearing on the discussion.
It was around 200. Sure the guild perks are nice and we are a level max 25 guild rating. We donot take just anyone..in fact we are not a "open" enrollment guild. You have to know someone in the guild who will reccommend them. We only have one rule..which is to respect others in word and deed. And we feel strongly about that. It has a lot to do with this discussion and the LFG should also include Operations IMO.
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Valkirus
05.06.2012 , 09:18 PM | #893
Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy_Person View Post

How did you find those members? Do you just invite anyone (nothing wrong with that), do you have an application process? I still prefer playing with people to find if I want to join their guild or not.

A guilds size only tells me so much but still...

The ignore list is only minimally effective... sure I won't be grouped with him again but that only drops my chances by a small amount to begin with and there are a bunch of others just like him out there... where on a single server they fear the consaquences.. Even so it does not encourage the long term teams that I want to find in this game @50.

While it is still possible to do... I think when people need to play together they are more likely to want to team up if they enjoye achother and if all goes well. The X server DF will be needed at some point... IMO in a limited form it is needed soon.

Interesting to hear other well thought out points though.
We donot have a open enrollment. You have to know someone in the guild who can reccommend you. Word of mouth spreads you know? We have only one rule....respect others at all times , in word or deed and we take that to heart. My point is...as far the healthy functioning community with-in my guild atleast, the cross server LFG has not had any negative impact on it. It is up to the members within a guild and more importantly the leadership of those guilds what type of community you will have. We team up often in all kinds of events, and on occasion have did all guild raid runs.
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Valkirus
05.06.2012 , 09:24 PM | #894
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
That's fine and I have no reason to disbelieve you. I won't even suggest you are exaggerating because it is your experience, same as other people have different experiences across many games. All I was pointing out is this is not a fact as to why a x-server LFG is required.

Why would you have to change your characters name(s), are they all so special and distinct that everyone is using them on various servers?
It's a reason for me to want one..lol. And they will not let you transfer a char to a server when your char's name is the same as some other char on the server you are going to. May not happen..but it is possible and you..the one transfering would have to change it. Not a option for me. I role play and my char's names are very important. I donot know how common they are and donot care.
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mothear
05.06.2012 , 09:31 PM | #895
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
We donot have a open enrollment. You have to know someone in the guild who can reccommend you. Word of mouth spreads you know? We have only one rule....respect others at all times , in word or deed and we take that to heart. My point is...as far the a healthy functioning community with-in my guild atleast, the cross server LFG has not had any negative impact on it. It is up to the members within a guild and more importanly the leadership of those guilds what type of community you will have. We team up often in all kinds of events, and on occasion have did all guild raid runs.
The question here is probably, would your guild community be affected in WoW if there was no LFG tool for 85 instances? The answer is probably no, the point is LFG is meant for putting PUG's together, not for guilds (although they obviously use it for the freebie valor points).

I believe that when people use the word 'community' they are talking about the server wide community. Your version of community may differ.

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Valkirus
05.06.2012 , 09:44 PM | #896
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
The question here is probably, would your guild community be affected in WoW if there was no LFG tool for 85 instances? The answer is probably no, the point is LFG is meant for putting PUG's together, not for guilds (although they obviously use it for the freebie valor points).

I believe that when people use the word 'community' they are talking about the server wide community. Your version of community may differ.
I think it would be affected without a cross server LFG tool. Because our guild is made up of casual gamers. Ones who donot want to logon at a specail time to do a raid or a 5 man heroic even. We all have the sense of freedom knowing we can log on whenever...and stay as long or short as we want and noone will get upset about it. The cross server LFG tool is looked at by EVERYONE in my guild as a positive thing. It has helped to inspire many in my guild to want to play.
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JeramieCrowe
05.06.2012 , 10:00 PM | #897
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
I think it would be affected without a cross server LFG tool. Because our guild is made up of casual gamers. Ones who donot want to logon at a specail time to do a raid or a 5 man heroic even. We all have the sense of freedom knowing we can log on whenever...and stay as long or short as we want and noone will get upset about it. The cross server LFG tool is looked at by EVERYONE in my guild as a positive thing. It has helped to inspire many in my guild to want to play.
Soooo... if you had an LFG tool that you can toggle the X-server function to "ON", and he had an LFG tool that he can turn the X-server function to "OFF", where is the problem?

We should be teaming up and asking BioWare to make one instead of bickering over nothing now that a solution is here.

Unless you think that not enough people would use the X-server toggle? That people have to be "forced" to so that you can have your group?
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Skidrowbro
05.06.2012 , 10:13 PM | #898
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Soooo... if you had an LFG tool that you can toggle the X-server function to "ON", and he had an LFG tool that he can turn the X-server function to "OFF", where is the problem?

We should be teaming up and asking BioWare to make one instead of bickering over nothing now that a solution is here.

Unless you think that not enough people would use the X-server toggle? That people have to be "forced" to so that you can have your group?
It becomes a problem when people who try to genuinely RPG the "old" fashioned way have to battle against the path of least resistance. What if Bioware is trying to break the mold and make an actual MMORPG where it's not all about telporting to instances all the time? Maybe the Pro X-LFG people are in the wrong game, is it their right to change that?

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Valkirus
05.06.2012 , 10:15 PM | #899
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Soooo... if you had an LFG tool that you can toggle the X-server function to "ON", and he had an LFG tool that he can turn the X-server function to "OFF", where is the problem?

We should be teaming up and asking BioWare to make one instead of bickering over nothing now that a solution is here.

Unless you think that not enough people would use the X-server toggle? That people have to be "forced" to so that you can have your group?
hehe..I allready agreed with your suggestion. But I am not so sure from a technical point of view if such a tool could be added. I think if it was implemented with a toggle off/on a cross server LFG tool, the majority of the players would most certainly use the cross server selection. Logic would prevail. You want to spend a hour or longer and maybe not even get a grp or get one within a reasonable time?

Players in very active group run guilds or ones on high pop servers would be the ones most likely not to use it. Which would be understandable. End result would be however a large enough pool of players to make up groups using the cross server version. Noone is ever "'forced" to use a LFG tool. Not in WoW or any other MMO.
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JeramieCrowe
05.06.2012 , 10:16 PM | #900
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
It becomes a problem when people who try to genuinely RPG the "old" fashioned way have to battle against the path of least resistance. What if Bioware is trying to break the mold and make an actual MMORPG where it's not all about telporting to instances all the time? Maybe the Pro X-LFG people are in the wrong game, is it their right to change that?
Hell, I know that, for me, even if the X-server toggle was on it, I'd leave it "OFF". And if I couldn't get a group? So be it. I'll wait for guildies and do something else. Not like I haven't done that already.
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