Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

Sorry that has no bearing on x-server LFG, it's only an anecdote. I can say they same thing, i.e. did my last LFG run in WoW and had a real jerk who did x, decided enough was enough and quit the game. When server transfers and same server LFG come in this should not happen, if you avail yourself of the transfer. If you don't, well that's not Bioware's fault. If you transfer and similar issues are still occurring after a few months then I'm sure, with the data they hold, Bioware will consider x-server.

maybe if they ever implement the LFG tool I'll be coming back. Until then.... I am tired of spamming chat looking for people just so i can finish that stupid 4 man heroic and I can leave the freekin planet in peace or never being able to experience the instances because it literally takes hours to get a group together and even then it usually falls apart before it's fully assembled because people wait so long that they don't have time to wait for that last person we need.

I like this game i really do but the lack of LFG tool and 4 man heroics (I don't want to leave a planet until I'm done with all the quests) make this very frustrating game to play.

I actually suggested this in a previous thread but was advised by those wanting x-server that it was an unacceptable compromise.

I disagree. I once again for your benefit will give you a personal experence with my guild in WoW. Before cross server LFG was added , our guild had about 150 members. All of them I would rate as casual gamers. Ones who have no interest in becoming hardcore raiders. After cross server LFG was added and today, our membership is at 238. We do a lot of stuff together , inc using the new cross server Looking for Raid tool. We enjoy running those because it has been tuned to be more casual gamer friendly. The rewards are not as good as the normal and heroic versions, but still allow the player to experence the end game content and get gear which is better than the 5 man heroics.

Do we occasionally get bad groups/runs? Yes, but most are successful and it beats not getting to run any at all. The point is, the cross server LFG has had no negative impact on our guild atleast in WoW and the two top raiding guilds on our server are still strong and active. Doing thier heroic raids weekly.

There are ways to deal with jerks you may come across when using the cross server LFG tool. The ignore list works great and once you put a player on your ignore list, they will never be grouped with you again. My guild is Divine Elements on the Stormrage server if you would like to look it up.

I really hope bioware reads posts like this, if they could actualy poll people in this game who dont come to the message boards i think they would finaly realize how wrong they are.

Sorry..but it was what happened to me and was not the first time, but rather typical lately, so it does have a lot to do with a lack of a cross server tool as far as I am concerned, which I know it means nothing to you personally. If BioWare loses my sub and many others who feel like I do..because of a lack of a tool to get me to experence end game content in a timely manner...then it will be BioWare's fault. And for your info..I am not changing my char's names when I move to another server. Once again..if that is the solution..then it will be BioWare's fault.

Do you remember what your membership was at the end of WotLK. I only ask because it is much more likely, in my opinion that the increase is due to guild perks. In WoW it has become more difficult to start new guilds because people tend to gravitate towards the freebies provided from high level guilds.

I don't know whether the upcoming LFG will include operations, I had thought it was just flashpoints we were discussing. I would have thought LFG is mainly used for PUGing, not guild runs, so whilst it's a nice story I wouldn't have thought it has any bearing on the discussion.

How did you find those members? Do you just invite anyone (nothing wrong with that), do you have an application process? I still prefer playing with people to find if I want to join their guild or not.

A guilds size only tells me so much but still...

The ignore list is only minimally effective... sure I won't be grouped with him again but that only drops my chances by a small amount to begin with and there are a bunch of others just like him out there... where on a single server they fear the consaquences.. Even so it does not encourage the long term teams that I want to find in this game @50.

While it is still possible to do... I think when people need to play together they are more likely to want to team up if they enjoye achother and if all goes well. The X server DF will be needed at some point... IMO in a limited form it is needed soon.

Interesting to hear other well thought out points though.

Why are we still arguing about this?

Just implement a LFG tool with an X-server toggle and call it a day. Both viewpoints get served.

Not so much, there is a lot of emotion tied up in this question and that makes it VERY complex... plus there are hundreds of differing opinions and then shades of grey on each opinion.


Profiling people is dangerous, putting everyone in a group like this because your personal experience has been bad is a slippery slope. I have not come to that conclusion and I have been playing since Ruins of Kunark came out in EQ1.
This is in great debate, many people have said that if you try and post xxx is a troll or ninja, or you say it in /trade in WoW... people either do not believe you, or you get accused of being one yourself. The only people that this really has effect on is your personal buddys that you run with.

This is open to huge debate also. I know many people that dont care at all about loot and if you need on something and ninja it... they just want to run with competent people and get dungeons done to get valor.

Again a very dangerous statement... no proof of this is in evidence, this is your personal observation. Saying someone is more likely to harass someone due to a LFG tool? Wow...

The problem with this is many people do not care about a community and just want to play the game. Many do not see a community at all, they see themselves mindlessly doing /tank LF Flashpoint xyz... and getting no group and logging off.

Another VERY subjective point... If you are a very casual player then yes, this statement may be true, if you take the game a bit more seriously... applications and vent interviews are not only the norm... but just the beginning of being able to join a guild.

This is where it seems the point is made, everything else kind of falls by the wayside... if you cant get a group and cant do content... you wont stay subbed for this game and you will never meet people to begin with.

Yet another very dangerous idea... forcing people to do anything almost like cutting your own throat... people pay money to play how they want to play... not how they are dictated to play. That being said there is enough forced on us as is, and enough options taken away as is, it would be best not to add another one.

Very good point, I agree 100% and I think this is where the pro LFG people are standing... they just want to do content and cant with how things are now... for whatever reason, be it low pop server, anti social fleet, no one on planets... whatever the problem is.

I agree again, I have 2 50's and neither saw a FP past Black Talon on the way to 50... and trust me, I looked. I have played every FP with my Jedi Consular because I rolled her on Fatman (by far the highest pop server)