Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

Talk about a say nothing accusation.

Nope you must just work there because the objective is more important than the enjoyment to you.

Don't even try to pretend that games don't get dumbed down for the masses in order for it to be "accessable" to the masses.

The intent is to make as much money as possible. The key is to dumb it down just enough to get more people playing and feeling special and not bore you away from the game at the same time. If this were 10-15 years ago I'd still have an ounce of faith that profit isn't the sole reason people make games anymore.

Actually you're hoping to explain away a few reservations that people have with a "X-SERVER" LFG tool in mmos in general.


Don't hold any weight for you.

It doesen't and this is a strawman argument. You're approaching this as through it was x-lfg already, never once considering there will eventually come a time that you barely if ever spam for people again because you've gotten to know enough players. Were talking about a community of players, not general chatters.

The idiotic chatter goes from chuck norris jokes to dead baby jokes as soon as you put people in a position that what their fellow players think about them doesen't matter. Again, were talking about a community of players, not chatters. If you're 5-6 months in on a mmo and still struggle to find people to run dungeons with, either the game sucks or you do.

Most people I know who are against x-server lfg aren't this sentimental about immersion. That said, yeah it takes it from a mmo world to a CoD lobby.

So the old justify need over someones main character for your pet's gear trick again? Without x-server lfg, things like "I needed it for my pet" are a limited time offer before your reputation will precede you. At that point you'd be whining for x-realm on the forums to try to force your way into groups.

Oh, the don't use it argument. Then I take it you wouldn't mind me opening up a brothel or crack house next door to where you live. Its cool dude, don't use it if you don't like it. Aside from that, with all the friends you keep talking about its hard to beleive that you already don't just log on to raid as it is.

You forgot the most important thing about x-server lfg tool. Six months after x-server lfg the game plays like digital candyland because little johnny who couldn't find groups before because he sucked soo bad has now become a permanent liability for us all. This game is already less complicated than super mario bros, is that really what you want?

You make a very good point. It is often fruitless to debate when basing your position on feelings. That's why debaters gather and present facts and their analysis and interpretation of facts.

In this instance, however, the debate always comes down to a question of emotional reaction. IOW, "why don't you LIKE it". I can put facts galore out there but it's still "I do/don't like it". And how the heck do you debate that, when the other fellow feels the opposite? It's not as if either is incorrect. If you do like it and I don't, are either one of us right or wrong? How, really, can you logically dissect personal emotional reactions to some aspect of the game two different people are playing?

In this instance, however, the debate always comes down to a question of emotional reaction. IOW, "why don't you LIKE it". I can put facts galore out there but it's still "I do/don't like it". And how the heck do you debate that, when the other fellow feels the opposite? It's not as if either is incorrect. If you do like it and I don't, are either one of us right or wrong? How, really, can you logically dissect personal emotional reactions to some aspect of the game two different people are playing?

You know, this 70 page thread is certainly an entertaining read and here are my questions to those who insist that X-server LFG tool is detrimental because it is "selfish", "lazy", "faceless" or "irresponsible":

Why can't you see the entire SWTOR game as a whole, a community in itself? Why must "community" be defined as "MY server", "YOUR server", not "OUR SERVERS"? People say with X-server tool, you will never see the person you grouped with again, but why MUST you? Why MUST you see BillyJoe from Fatman again and again when that just takes away chances to meet JoeBilly from Jung Ma?

What I don't understand from all these "community killing" arguments is the fact that these individuals are consciously, willingly and knowingly choosing to exclude themselves in their little "clique", be it their circle of friend, guild or server. This game is MMORPG, won't X-server bring more variety of people to interact with, thus making it the defining feature of MMORPG?

Sure, with each tool comes the danger and consequences. Trolls, ninjas and elitist will exist regardless of X-server LFG or not. I mean, will you whine to remove General Chat just because someone typed "Your momma is so fat, Freezing Force actually makes her go 50% faster"? Will you advocate for a Chatless MMORPG in the future just because you saw something like that?

To me a X-server tool will be a golden opportunity to meet people from other parts of the country/world without having to re-roll and compare myself to them. Who knows, may be if you "represent" your server well enough, you might attract even more people to join it?

Excellent post!

And I think I just single-handedly killed this thread, god, I really hate it when I do that. Now how will I get my entertainment?

LOL, though I too add my praise to your post (very well done!), sadly this topic won't die. The naysayers won't stop and there will always be supporters keeping it alive until it's implemented as well. And when it is implemented, the naysayers will make sure we hear about every anecdotal bad group they have while the supporters will respond with the many accounts of good groups with reminders that people who don't like it don't have to use it and it will go on ad naseum.