Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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chaosdefined

05.01.2012 , 07:54 AM \| #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Hawksworth It's straightforward really but I'll spell it out for you. Playing with people who weren't on your realm led to less communication in pug's and more antisocial behaviour. This was probably because some peole figured hey, It's not like I'll ever see these people again. Having positive experiences in pug's leads to you adding that person and wanting to play with them again and before you know it they bring some of their frineds and so on an aso forth till hey, you actually know a few people and have a few friends on your server to play with. This has alraedy been happening to me in TOR and it reminds me of the old days in WOW and it's pretty great tbh. No voodoo involved, can you understand this or do I need to break it down further for you? Right so exactly what I said, nothing to do with the Tool at all just simply players stopped bothering about a community. So the tool didn't kill the community the players did when they just didn't bother building one. Like I said, LFG didn't stop people talking, that was all down to the players. Surely you're smart enough to realise that if you have to force people to build a community, then it's nothing meaningful at all.

Valkirus

05.01.2012 , 07:57 AM \| #62
Quote: Originally Posted by JaHakk For me, I could care less about building a community. I just want to play the game and enjoy all aspects of it. Standing around and typing over and over again in general chat that Im looking for a group with the the little LFG icon over my head for lord knows how long is not fun to me so therefore I do not do it. I have tried it and really got bored of it after about 30 minutes. If you want to meet people there are plenty of online dating web sites you can subscribe to. If you are having to play a game to meet people there is something wrong there. I say give me the LFG tool. I dont care if it is same server or cross server. I just want to be able to do flashpoints without having to do as I described above. Booooooorrrrrrrinnnnngggggg!!!!!: Same here. The hatred for a LFG tool is mostly about a cross server one. I am willing of course to try a same server one. But I still feel it will not work well on low pop ones. Time proves all things, but I have this gut feeling eventually they will need to go to cross server LFG. I just hope what ever they do works well before my sub ends this Aug.
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Jaxarale

05.01.2012 , 07:58 AM \| #63
Quote: In short, the quality of grouping drops dramatically. At least you can get a group unlike on most standard to light servers in SWTOR Quote: The skill level of players drops dramatically. See above... Quote: The level of behavior when there is no accountability, drops dramatically. See above... I do not give a rats arse how someone acts or how bad they are... this isn't a who is better than who contest... its a "get some content done to get more purple stuff so I can raid" contest. I would much rather deal with an a-hole and actually run a few heroics a day as opposed to sitting on fleet for 8 hours spamming lfg and getting no response... I would much rather be able to quest on planets while leveling (with 2-3 others on the same planet) and be queued up for the 4 man heroics and get them done before I leave no matter how long it takes for the queue to pop... at least I can get them done unlike on my first 2 level 50s....... As for: Quote: In fact, the only thing that did not drop were queue times. I really have no idea what your talking about... if queue times are 2 hours as you stated (not sure what game your referring to because dps queues in wow were 15-20 mins max)... isn't that LOWER than sitting on fleet for 8 hours and NOT getting a group at all? /does some quick napkin math.... no group all day, minus getting a group in 2 hours, carry the 1, divide by pi... hrmm herp derp... Ya, being able to get a group no matter how long it takes is still faster than not getting a group at all... Jus sayin...

Bloodstealer

05.01.2012 , 08:07 AM \| #64
Quote: Originally Posted by mothermoy The biggest gripe really isn't community...to me that's crap. You have a chance to meet more people cross server then you do in your server. The biggest gripe is it takes away the communities ability to police itself in its groups. Say bob is a huge troll. always pulls wrong stuff, gets team wiped over and over, generally just doesn't give a rip. In the system now, the community has the ability to just not invite him to a group. He learns and either changes or leaves. LFG tool basically allows bob to troll as much as he wants and just reque up. that gripe i can definitely understand. That's why you have an ignore button.. local server LFG will not see this issue... X-Server LFG will and that's the primary reasson I would not want to see it introduced, added to that I agree with other posters in that X-Server LFG does not promote community in any way shape or form, you dont what your getting, then they dissapear back to their own servers, likely trolling loot like said above.... X-Server promotes much worse community attitude than same server LFG imo.
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MasterKayote

05.01.2012 , 08:08 AM \| #65
@OP..... I really wish people would specify whether theyre talking about same-server or cross-server LFG tools. There is a BIG difference between the two and only one of wish seems to get the most hate from those against them. They *BOTH* solve the "standing around in fleet spamming general chat" problem.

Callianna

05.01.2012 , 08:10 AM \| #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus I can only speak of my guild..which before cross server LFG tool was added in WoW....we had like 150 members..now 2 yrs later we have 237. It has had no negative impact on our guild. Maybe that is because within our own guild is the community we care most for and also all of us are casual players who like the idea of being able to experence end game content at our best play times. I think some of the hate for a cross server LFG tool comes from hardcore raiding guilds who donot like how some less dedicated players can experence end game content. When Blizz added the LFR tool in WoW, they got alot of complaints on the forums, but those mostly were from the hardcore raiders and thankfully Blizz looked at thier own internal data rather than some complaining on the forums to make the right decision. Which has sence showed them it is very successful. Being a a former wow player, it wasn't that "hardcore" raiders didn't want all players to be able to see endgame content, it was that the content was dumbed down considerably. Considering in the 25 man lfr group 1/2 of the raid can sit there not doing anything and still down the boss, that was the problem. Yes I did run a lfr in wow before I quit and it was laughable. I thought it was a good idea when they brought it up as more people would be able to see all the content but how it was implemented was terrible, I mean more than 1/2 the raid should to have to at least try lol.

DarthTHC

05.01.2012 , 08:11 AM \| #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Faeldawn The problem for me isn't the LFG queueing system, it's the cross server system that sucks. MMORPG's are about meeting players, grouping and developing a community, how is this possible if you are grouping with players on other servers who you will never see again? I have made a lot of friends over the years, many im still in contact with, quite a few i still game with, all i met through gaming and most through grouping. If they implement the cross server system anyone joining a guild will do so cold, your chances of meeting a nice guild through grouping with them and joining that way is pretty much nil. The community in swtor is bad enough as it is, this is just another nail in the coffin. Wouldn't it be interesting if: You could add off-server people you group with to your friends list. The tool would give preference to friends - if friends are queued, the one that gets in earlier drags in the one who might be later in the queue, assuming roles fit. The tool didn't force itself to only group you with off-server players. (LDO?) The tool had a way for you to indicate whether you wanted to use x-server or single-server queuing.

chaosdefined

05.01.2012 , 08:12 AM \| #68
It's not rocket science, yet so many people fail to grasp the idea that other people aren't on as populated servers as them! You lot seem to think that Single Server LFG uses good magic to make new players appear for low pop servers. And Cross Server uses bad magic to make players mean and nasty towards everyone.

Darkulous

05.01.2012 , 08:14 AM \| #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Perfidius 'People can ninja with immunity' - probably the only valid argument i can see so far, but seems as most items are usable bny anyone and their companion, and people already role on items for their companions, it again looses weight. This reason actually holds no water with me. The second someone needs on a piece they don't need, they will get kicked. Also, if a player is a complete douchebag, they will get kicked. There is nothing holding back players to hit the "kick" button as opposed to running with people you got from the fleet. Right now players have to deal with douchebags and ninjas because nobody wants to go back to fleet and spam for another player for 1 -2 hours. Anyone who has actual extensive experience with a cross-server LFD knows that the tool MAKES players behave. Players who que in to LFD WANT to finish the Flashpoint and they won't do anything to jeapardize that from happening. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule and that is what the anti-LFDers hold on to, the exceptions.
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Darnu

05.01.2012 , 08:14 AM \| #70
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined Yup, you gotta trade E-mail addresses for it but means you can chat and group with friends cross-server not anymore. you get a battletag now. you trade those instead of giving out your email address
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