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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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DarthTHC
05.03.2012 , 01:43 PM | #581
Quote: Originally Posted by Kemosobe View Post
The only reason it is tedious is because you and other people are making it so. It took me from early access to April to "complete" my first character because I was doing EVERYTHING. When I got a flashpoint mission, I did it. No wait time, just pop up LFG, ask, and BOOM, group. I did every single heroic on every single planet.

The only thing that made any of this hard is that fact that people are anti-social in a MMO. I would be asking people for a group for a heroic on a planet, then see 2 people run right in there not paying any attention. The problem with this game is its community, and adding a x-server easy party former will do nothing but make the community even worse than it already is.
That's all well and good when the planets are populated and everyone is about the same level, working through the content at the same time.

It doesn't work so well now that few people are leveling through the zones. Whenever I take a group quest on a toon I'm leveling I spam out a LFG message for that quest. I watch planets for LFG requests for group quests I have. And somehow by the end of the planet, I wind up abandoning all of them.

X-server as an easy party former, assuming they implement it for planetary quests somehow, would actually help people see the group content. Single-server will not... because it doesn't work now. DUCY?

There's the vague "make the community worse"... The community is both good and bad right now and always will be. The only thing that X-LFG will do is make you encounter more people more often if you choose to use it. The community will still be X% douchebags and Y% great people. You'll just see more of each.

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Skirata_Kal
05.03.2012 , 01:44 PM | #582
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
I'm one of the 2 million too. I didn't leave because of the LFG tool or because the community became horrible. The LFG tool was awesome and the community on my server was great.

I left... to play this game. Sigh.
I don't regret leaving myself. And there's really nothing to go back for since both my alliance and horde guilds are dead and none of my RL friends still play. And for me the community outside those few good guilds was a cesspool, long before lfd came along. But in Vanilla, BC and Wrath, it was definitely a great ride
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DarthTHC
05.03.2012 , 01:46 PM | #583
Quote: Originally Posted by Katahn View Post
I can't say that wouldn't be the case, but do you honestly think it would be that common? In my experience, over 12 years of playing these games, such things happen extremely infrequently.

The idea behind the suggestions I offer was to maximize the chances for people to meet and play with like-minded others, to form friendships, and to build guilds and communities in the process. Players of modern MMOs clearly want and expect servers identified by type (rp, pve, pvp, rp-pvp) so it stands to reason they would vastly prefer friends and guildmates who share that very broad general playstyle at a minimum. To maximize the probability that any given group will have people who they might like or want to form or build a community with it therefore follows the best course of action is to keep the queues segregated by server type.
I agree that it's rare, though probably not as rare as you think. Maybe more rare earlier in a game's life and less rare later?

I get what you're saying.

I believe that even with restricted server types, X-LFG would meet my desires so I wouldn't argue against it, I guess. Still, I do like to meet people with different approaches to the game. It can be quite the learning experience.

EDIT: Thanks for the thoughtful debate!

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Socialist
05.03.2012 , 01:46 PM | #584
I couldn't care less for socializing in a MMO.

If the idea was to socialize, I'd go out with my friends instead of chatting with some overseas child talking about Chuck Norris or insulting everybody's mothers.


Honestly, I just want to run the *********** Flashpoints. If cross server, even better so I hopefully won't have to see any of the bastards I grouped ever again.



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And yes I do hate the average MMOer.
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Skirata_Kal
05.03.2012 , 01:48 PM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by Kemosobe View Post
Main difference between us is that fact that you have other MMOs to choose from which offer this option. We do not have any good options to choose from. You want something specific that is already in other games, go to those and stop whining that other games should conform to your standards simply because you want to play it in exactly the same manner as your last game.
So, you selfishly want to keep the game the way YOU want it and at the same time deny others, who love Star Wars and MMO's, an OPTION that you can simply not use and still enjoy the game your way while they enjoy it their way?
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Kemosobe
05.03.2012 , 01:53 PM | #586
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
So, you selfishly want to keep the game the way YOU want it and at the same time deny others, who love Star Wars and MMO's, an OPTION that you can simply not use and still enjoy the game your way while they enjoy it their way?
No, I want SW:TOR to remain SW:TOR and not have them implement all the crap that is in every other MMO simply because people whine for it. If you have other options, use those. It is not like SW:TOR's montly fee is any less than every other MMO out there.
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Curious how many would stand in the street staring down an oncoming garbage truck because they don't have DBM telling them to get out of the way.
Quote: Originally Posted by KROSSDARK View Post
Yeah I feel sorry for the devs. The new breed of gamers are so %$$#&^%

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DarthTHC
05.03.2012 , 01:56 PM | #587
Quote: Originally Posted by Kemosobe View Post
No, I want SW:TOR to remain SW:TOR and not have them implement all the crap that is in every other MMO simply because people whine for it. If you have other options, use those. It is not like SW:TOR's montly fee is any less than every other MMO out there.
A feature isn't bad just because it's in another MMO. A feature is probably good if it's in the most successful MMO ever and it's being implemented into many MMOs.

Sort of like cars... name a feature. Power windows. These were brand new at one time. They save you the tedium of physically cranking a crank to roll the window up and down. What's more, the driver can roll down all the windows without leaning over the seat or stopping the car! I might imagine you or others like you arguing against this technological advancement.

Yet here we are today and it's well nigh impossible to find a new car without power windows. And when you do, they're the bottommost car in cost, quality, and value.

Stop hating on the power windows, bro. Bootstrap yourself up into the modern autom... er, MMO world!

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Skirata_Kal
05.03.2012 , 01:57 PM | #588
Quote: Originally Posted by Kemosobe View Post
No, I want SW:TOR to remain SW:TOR and not have them implement all the crap that is in every other MMO simply because people whine for it. If you have other options, use those. It is not like SW:TOR's montly fee is any less than every other MMO out there.
So you DO want to selfishly have this game to remain YOUR way. Since other people have other options, they should use those, but if an option is added to this game that is completely optional it still somehow ruins your game for you...lol.
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Kemosobe
05.03.2012 , 02:00 PM | #589
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
So you DO want to selfishly have this game to remain YOUR way. Since other people have other options, they should use those, but if an option is added to this game that is completely optional it still somehow ruins your game for you...lol.
Seeing as you are going to leave anyway because this game does not have a LFG easy button, why are you still here?
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Curious how many would stand in the street staring down an oncoming garbage truck because they don't have DBM telling them to get out of the way.
Quote: Originally Posted by KROSSDARK View Post
Yeah I feel sorry for the devs. The new breed of gamers are so %$$#&^%

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Jaxarale
05.03.2012 , 02:01 PM | #590
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Yes, WoW going from 12 million to 10 million subs really destroyed it.
This is completely wrong... this is the numbers for Cata... The numbers for when LFG was put into the game are as follows:

LFGroup tool was released on December 8th 2009 in patch 3.3.0
WoW reached its highest sub numbers almost a full year later on October 7th 2010 over 12 million...

So... in the 10 months from release of the LFG tool WoW went to its highest sub numbers ever.

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Main difference between us is that fact that you have other MMOs to choose from which offer this option. We do not have any good options to choose from. You want something specific that is already in other games, go to those and stop whining that other games should conform to your standards simply because you want to play it in exactly the same manner as your last game.
Why are you still beating this drum... LFG is dropping in 1.3... there is nothing you can do about it... Let... it.. go...