Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

I've been a proponent of this for a long time. If I use the ignore function, it's because of something the PLAYER did, not the character. The whole account should be ignored.

It is in WoW.

In WoW, if you ignore a player....it is effective on thier whole account. So changing your name will not work if you are trying to avoid that there. Blizzard was smart enough to add that feature.

Its been explained at least 10 times in this thread skip. Each time it has, you have refused to listen but attacked the poster and denied the reality....then turned around and asked the same nauseating question again.

....then the silliness, snippyness, we see above. Honestly, its like talking to a 14 year old.

I don't know that this is true. I've never seen how "community" is defined, in this thread or any other that discusses the LFG tool.

I mean, we've seen that some players would like to be able to harass other players in general chat if those players do something to cause posterior pain, but that's about all I've seen.

Here, let me yoink in the dictionary.com definition:

It seems that 3 might be the best definition for our discussion. The question is really how do you define the scope of the community?

• Is it the set of all players of one faction on one server?
• Is it the set of all players of all factions on one server?
• Is it the set of all players on all servers?

A good argument could be made for each.

If we want an inclusive community, because we're being nice people, we should maybe consider the last scope - all players on all servers. In such a case, wouldn't X-LFG benefit community by giving us all the chance to interact more with each other?

It never becomes necessary. It is a lazy, bandaid approach that may satisfy those that are incapable of rationally examining beyond the desire for imagined instant gratification,, but not solve the problem, while creating a whole different set of problems from the tank shortage to the many issues involved because of a lack of accountability. Heck, it really didn't even solve the problem. Queue times for my server for everything beyond the new troll dungeon was 45 minutes. Now we see people suggesting even more addons and fixes for the fix in an attempt to continue to patch up that bandied approach.

In short, there comes a time when you have to stop sticking bubblegum in that hole in your boat and look toward another solution. Cross server LFG is an albatross. It won't fly. That solution is server mergers, transfers, server wide LFG, summoning (or ship docking via access through one's ship), and return. The implementation of greater reward such as higher xp and greater loot for leveling group play. All of the benefits of the cross server LFG, none of the negatives.

Now I'm not sure why this debate continues. Even the development team for this game are against it. It truly is a dead horse. Lets just bury it.

You must be right. It was a dismal failure in the largest game in history. In fact, it was such a dismal failure that the developers are completely scrapping the idea and removing it from the game. They certainly didn't expand it to include even more content and they're definitely not looking to expand it further.

Seriously, where do you come up with this manure?

Goodness people.

Defined as a group of gamers joining together in a mutually respectful, mutually beneficial manner for the purpose of accomplishing various goals and challenges through-out the game while building a network of friends, guilds, and team-mates for future association while allowing for both reward and accountability for player behavior.

Virtually impossible to do through the cross server LFG, demonstrating conclusively that the Cross server LFG does not in any way contribute to community, but rather in direct oposition to that goal.

What part of that is not understood?

Actually there has never been a definition of what the fabled community you seem to support so ardently. There has been much back and forth about the loss of said community, but as of yet not a single person has defined what that loss would be.

I just re read this entire post just to make sure I was not off base... there is nothing defining WHAT the community is... as for attacking, I believe my posts would of been modded if I was attacking anyone... so your choice of wording is sensationalistic at best...
As for denying reality, it is your interpretation of reality that I choose to deny. The last I checked... I am still allowed to do that?

If you do not want to contribute... theres the door buddy, leave the thread... if it makes you sick that someone actually would like to try and understand the other side of the debate... then perhaps you should not be a part of it?

Projecting your own character flaws and moodiness onto me and my post means nothing to me. I am asking in all honesty and sincerity... define the community?... its a simple question, why can it not be answered?

LOL, you have just lost the very miniscule credibility you had here...

It continues because you continue to post and a lot of people disagree with you, and with me... logic is hard it seems! Yes the development team is against it so its a dead horse... as was same server LFG tool... you know the one being put in on patch 1.3...
You talk a good game for those that have not clue, but as the post above said... I really would like to know where you get the manure your spreading... my garden can use some because it sure is industrial grade crap...

I understand your definition. I simply disagree with it. I also disagree that community is "virtually impossible to do through X-LFG" as you keep saying, but not demonstrating.

Your definition of community is artificially narrow. Why force it to include guilds? Heck, why force it to include single-server? We on this forum are a community - the community of all players with active subscriptions to the game who read and write English, regardless where we live, what server we play on, which felonies we've been convicted of, etc. Why not cater to THAT community?

Your definition includes the terms "mutually respectful" and "mutually beneficial". I challenge you to show how that exists in all cases in this game today, with no LFG tool at all, outside of the cliques the game implements as guilds. If that is a necessary component of community for you, then what you have now is not a community, therefore X-LFG cannot "break" it.

Your definition includes accountability for player behavior. Nobody has yet shown how that accountability works aside from player on player harassment, which is against TOS. By the way, there is actually less player accountability now than there would be with an X-LFG tool simply because a) groups are so hard to get that players ignore any warnings about bad behavior, b) only the group leader can kick players (and if the misbehavior comes from the group lead you're screwed), and c) with a properly crafted LFG tool you can vote-kick the miscreants and put them back at the end of the queue.