Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

If everyone uses LFG, doesn't talk on General and trolls anyone who does, what does that say about your sacred community in the first place?

I completely understand the "community" never existed in this game; but then again, a "community" was never fostered either. And I never said the "community" was to have some sort of superiority over someone else. Where did I ever that? And I said I want to boss other people around? You're writing words I never even said; and I clearly stated that EVERYONE HELPED each other and communicated with each other. Again, I can tell you have not experienced the type of "community" I and others have been speaking of.

Look at the forums and how people are treated are the forums. The go in-game and see how people are treated in-game. Respect begets respect. Name-calling and flaming are not neccisariy. Why can't there me a civilived disscussion about a topic without people flaming, name-calling, and other wise being all around jerks. As far as the "shunning, punished, exclusion" part you speak of. It is NOTHING like you think.

Example (I'll use an old-school playground game): Everytime you play dodgeball, there is 1 person who always throws headshots - no matter what. You continually warn them to stop day after day. So do you keep playing with them? No you don't. You no longer have them in your group. If they stop throwing headshots, they can start playing with you again. And you will probably warn other groups too that all this person does is throw headshots. They will either find a small group who loves throwing heatshots at each other, or they will stop throwing headshots.

It's the same with the game. If you know someone on your server who whenever they join a FP / operation, uses a lvl 1 weapon (green) and wears lv1 5 (green) gear, you will not want them either because at that point, they are nothing more than a hinderance and you would not want to party with them either. When they finally understand "Ohh.. I need to wear the correct gear" then OK. But when told over and over again "please wear the correct gear" or "as the healer, can you please heal us" or "when you see SD-0 casts xzy ability on you and you see that glowy circle, run in the OPPOSITE direction of the other person and as far away as you can" and they continually disregard it, it's not about being elite.

If a person refuses to listen to reason, refuses to learn how any operation / FP is done, refuses to learn how their own abilities work, refuses to listen to any type of help from anyone, then yeah, they can go ---> way. I'm not being elite, but when your gameplay directly effects me, I do have a right; because as you said, we are all paying customers.

I also understand about people who have odd times that they play in. Thing is, there are some things a person can do to help with that. When I was working night-shift, I knew that when I would play an MMO, I would probably want to chose a server that the timezone was in more of a prime-time for them, so that there would be plenty of people. it might be 10 AM here, but if it's 5-6 PM there, I'm coming at at their primetime. I know it's not always a feesable option, but it is one none-the-less. And the server transfers should help with boosting the player count on several servers that are lower pop servers.

I personally don't "hate" LFG group unless

1. I can prevent a "bad player" from joining. So if I use LFG, it will check my block list and don't add X person to my group. (this will be difficult to code IMO unless we use "real ID tag" or something similar.

2. I can somehow group with the person who is AWESOME again. (currently cannot be done for Heroics and work only on instance only)

3. I can get that person to "transfer" to our server (or vice versa) when you find a cool player to do that. (currently not available)

Sadly this is the world today, I don't want to use something that you want so I will do everything in my power to stop you from getting what you want because I don't want it, even if I wouldn't be forced to use it in anyway.

The concept of community on servers is as old a as muds & mmo's, even back as far as chat rooms each one has their OWN community. Your "We are the world" concept is a community all in its own. The fact there is a COMMUNITY section in these forums confirms the community aspect. The very fact BW themselves speak of community assures it. I feel my idea of server community is on VERY stout legs.[/QUOTE]


again, the vast majority will not listen to some guy over the general chat accusing someone of being a ninja looter, the accuser probably has a greater chance of being on someones ignore list then the accused at that point. The community accountability has not worked in practice since WoW, not for the majority of the people, just the few who thought their clique was the community. And yes, the biggest offenders of ninja looting, being jerks, ect were ones that knew they could get away with it because they were in bigger guilds, or in one of the top guilds.

You are aware that every MMO allows that as well. If your pathetic enough to take a piece of gear from someone that may need and use it, that you have no use for other then for mere credits then I am not interested in playing with that sort anyway.

The minute I find out this person has done this several times I will not group with them. Its validation enough when a player proves the constant habit of doing this. Of course I don't roll on what I cant use so I must be missing out on a lot of credits huh.

Guild size does not matter, a jerk regardless of guild size is a jerk. It worked in WoW very well...Thunderhorn is one of the oldest servers in that game and if you we're shown to be a jerk to group with...most players that knew would not group with you...or if they did they took their chances. If they ignore the accuser they do so at their own peril.

I am just going to have to say that we must agree to disagree...I just do not support cross server LFG. Server LFG however is just fine to me.

In wow? Yes. In everquest a decade ago? Yes.

sure you can have a guild; there's not even a reason to prevent cross server guild invites in fact.

No, bad people create the worst pugs. The bad people exist whether there is cross server lfg or not

server wide LFG - YES
Cross-server LFG YES

that's how the lfg tool in wow works; it doesn't require realid, just that you add them to your ignore list.

Currently works in WoW with an enhancement in the works (replacing realid with the battletag system)

Works in RIFT currently for free and in wow for $$$