Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

Perhaps some did not know this is very true. However, players normally pick accordingly to play style. Nothing is ever certain when we choose unless we in some way or form have a marvelous insight to the situation.


The gloom and doom claims about "human debri" being a big problem in LFG tools is completely false. I have used similar tools in other games like WoW and there is no noticeable increase in idiots if you use the LFG tool. Prior to a LFG tool, the majority of the so called "human debri" is the members of the largest guilds who lord over the rest of the community and ninja anything they want because they can get away with it.[/QUOTE]

I'm happy that your experience with cross server LFG tools has been a utopia. However, to say it is the same for all or the saving grace of game play, is a falsehood all in its own. That it has no effect on server communities and in many ways fosters a devil may care attitude is not only false but also misleading.

Here in you make my point, if those who "lord" over others join groups to ninja loot or be and arse, simple enough to just not group with them and to make certain the server community knows what they do. Guild size means nothing or has no baring in cross server LFG. You do not have this recourse of action with cross server LFG, UNLESS the ability to report that activity is available...I would wager it would not be.

You meant: in your opinion... as there are no stats or evidence to support your sensational claims. In fact seeing as the majority of people use it if the tool is available in other games... your opinion that all servers will explode and the game will super nova... seems a bit on the excessive side.

Again, the communication process seems to break down... you can group with your buddies... no one is stopping you, so stop trying to keep us from playing how we want.

So, they will be put in Swtor jail if they are mean or ninja loot? I fail to see the repercussions as the server pops are rotating so fluidly and will triple in that aspect once transfers are open... there is no real way to hold anyone accountable for anything other than reporting them... and you can do that x-server just as easily as on server...

Your vision is admirable but not as practical as you may hope.
See what I did there? I used your own quote to answer your own quote... and quite well I think... funny that huh?

I honestly see no community in the /general chat that is fleet on the servers I play on... and where did this pressing NEED for a community come from... there is no community inherent in an MMO... its just massive, multi-player and online...
If it were a MMOC... Massive Multiplayer Online Community... then you might have a leg to stand on in your "community" argument?

My thoughts on an LFG tool:

1. Cross-server? Hell no - it's bad enough having to deal with some of the seedier element of your own server without dealing with that of other servers. Overall, my server is pretty nice. We're respectful, we're generally cool people, and we like it like that. Introduce a few.... annoying jerks into that mix, and I feel it'll "spoil" some of the better server communities out there. I'm a pretty big supporter of the theory that if you surround yourself with people of a certain mindset, you start to show traits of that mindset yourself.

2. Loot-screwing. If Jerk X is helping Group Y fight through Flashpoint Z, he starts hitting Need on everything. Yeah, he - as a Gunslinger - really NEEDS that BoP Consular headgear that's non-moddable. That plays into the cross-server bit where it's more likely to happen if you won't ever see them again, and could potentially give you a bad name (should someone have the same name as you.)

3. Overall, though, it could be good if it were implemented well. And let the "opt-in option" default to off, because while I may have trouble finding a group for a Heroic 4 right now, I don't want to immediately jump ship to a new server to do it quick because I forgot to toggle the "yes, give me random load times" box. I'll turn it on if I need it turned on.

Yes I would indeed care to. Accountability is having the option to advise your fellow server occupants that said person joins groups to "Ninja" loot, to create problems during runs, to waste the play time of others. So those that are aware can make a choice not to group with that player and save themselves the pain in the arse experience they may be in store for.

A server community will police its self to an extent if given the ability to do so. When players are outed for the things they willfully do and are isolated due to that activity they either are forced to rethink how they play or move along. That is the accountability process in practice.

I think peoples hate for cross server lfg tools are really unfounded. I played eq1 since it released and for 6 years after, And i have never seen a game since that had server communities as tight.

Many things changed that and i think the lfg tool was a very small part.

First players changed it, theres alot more people that play mmos than did back in eq1's days or even in vanilla wow and the player base is just different now. People dont stick around for a long time, they hop from game to game and back again, when i went back to wow for cataclysm after not playing for almost two years i was shocked to see how it was nearly impossible to hold together a 10 man raid group for over a month much less a 25man.

Second, Guilds changed it, back in the early days of eq1 there were no "uber guilds" as they came to be called, there were alot of small guilds and they worked together to do raids that took 40-80 people. Then the uber guilds came and everything could be done within your own guild, shutting out the rest of the server.

Third, Content changed, it doesnt take 40 people to do anything anymore, and in swtor its gotten even more exagerated because you can do almost anything in the game with 8 people, so even if you arent doing something with your guild youre only doing something with 7 other people and you dont get to know the rest of the server.

So now i think cross server lfg tools are a necessary evil to keep servers and games viable, they alow people to play instances that they would rarely be able to play while leveling up, content that was meant for people to experience the full game.

And if you dont like it DONT USE IT, if the thought of playing with inexperienced players sickens you , or you dont want to take the chance of grouping with a ninja looter, just shout in chat like you have to do now or wait for guildies to log on.

I think the LFG tool should have the option for same server or cross server grouping.

Accept for I have seen it so many times in WoW, where someone was trying to tell everyone on the server that they ninja looted, ect, only to find out, more often then not the accused was actually innocent. I hardly know anybody anymore that listens to the crap that people say about other players on general chat anymore.

group leader: I hear xxx is a ninja looter we shouldn't invite him.
group member 2: I haven't heard that, and im sick of waiting for the last 2 hours to run this... just invite him.
group member 3: IDC... lets just do this.
group leader: Ok, we will see.
Supposed Ninja: No, Im not a ninja, dude was mad cause I tapped his GF IRL and is spreading rumors..
Run goes fine with no problems...

The point to the story is... I wont believe what ANYONE says about ANYONE else in a game until I have seen it for myself... your deluded if you honestly think that self policing works anymore... yes it did in WoW back in Vanilla and BC because there were maybe 200 people on a side for each server... everyone knew everyone else.
This is no longer the case... its like saying: no I wont take a cruise to Australia because in 1492 everyone knew the world was flat...

The reality of the MMO game is changed... either change with it or step out of the way so we can play as we want to.

Exactly my point!
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Clearly you missed my point so I will try again:

Prior to the LFG tool in WoW the most common abusers were the members of the biggest guilds. They could treat other people poorly and ninja anything they wanted because they controlled the server completely.

If they wanted to ninja something and you complained, you had a hundred of their guildies all spamming that you were the one who tried to ninja, not their buddy. Bad bahavior and such actually went way, way down after LFG was started because the few elitists lost their stranglehold over the servers.

Nobody should be forced to to-the-line to a tiny number of elitists just to experience some of the endgame material.



Having a "bad rep" on a server only means a lot of people said something bad about you, not that you actually did what they say.

WoW let you put people on other servers on your ignore list. Its LFG tool would not pair you with people on your ignore list.

One might assume (probably erroneously but still) that BioWare would include features from modern LFG tools in their implementation.