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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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MasterKayote
05.01.2012 , 09:36 AM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkulous View Post
I'm not gonna stop talking about it until a X-server is actually implemented. Anyone who has experience with LFD tools knows what is going to happen with this same server LFD tool - High populated servers will prosper and all others will not. How is that different from todays Group Finder?
What the ... did you miss the part about the free server transfers or is this just more dismissal? Xserver isnt going to solve your population problem. Your questing, your dailies, your economy and all around socializing will still blow. YOU may not care whether or not your group experiences become a chatless 0-tolerance speed race for gear drops ... others do and want alternatives.

You can QQ, kick and scream all you want ... fact of the matter is they decided on same-server and thats what we're getting first. If it works and people find groups within reasonable time, you can kick, scream and dismiss the players concerns even louder... youre not going to get it. Luckily for us there is SOMEONE inside the Bioware offices that seems to value community and realizes the consequences of blindly adding things like x-server LFG and easy access FFA DPS meters because little Timmy is throwing a tantrum in the forums.

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dtim
05.01.2012 , 09:37 AM | #132
I've been playing WoW since March of '05. You would spend a lot of time getting a group together and guess what? There were "ninja" looters, players terrible at their class, people simply being jerks, arguments about who caused a wipe, people leaving in mid dungeon without a word, etc.

No, it certainly didn't happen in every run. But I really haven't seen any increase since the Dungeon Finder was added.

There are a few people who make friends through running dungeons but that has never been the majority of players. I've made more friends when trying to find someone to help on a difficult quest than finding someone for a dungeon run. I do feel for the players who have lost the sense of "community" that I never saw but the sheer amount of convenience that such tools provide is hard for me to not want.

Hopefully as MMOs develop further separate servers will become less of an issue. WoW is moving in this direction already, being able to create cross-server groups. I expect cross-server guilds to become available at some point in the near future. And being able to ignore someone and never group with them again based on their battletag would be great. If TOR can provide similar tools for cross-server communities then I think a lot of the complaints would be moot.

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-Highsteel-
05.01.2012 , 09:37 AM | #133
I'm not going to read 14 pages to see if my comment is a duplicate, if this has been said already, please excuse.

I think people hate it, cause they like that people are out there not able to get in a group to get these items, it makes them feel special that they have these items and you don't. Thats the only reason I can think of, nothing else holds weight.

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Codek
05.01.2012 , 09:39 AM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Has anyone ever noticed how there is never a "If you add LFG I will quit" thread only the "Add LFG or I will quit or you game will fail threads"?
My guess is because those arguing for no LFG clearly have the patience and intellect to go with what ever changes occur. Where as those who want the LFG seem to have ADHD and want quick self gratification and will move to where ever it can obtained.

But that's just me....
~Codek

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Cerion
05.01.2012 , 09:40 AM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Has anyone ever noticed how there is never a "If you add LFG I will quit" thread only the "Add LFG or I will quit or you game will fail threads"?
Makes sense. The former group seems to me to be less reactionary, less hysterical, more mature, whilst the latter group is...well, I'll let the evidence speak for itself. Perhaps the former group also has less difficulty forming groups without the aid of a UI? Thus an LFG tool wouldn't be a thorn in their side, per se..ie the stakes aren't as high for them.
Good will always triumph because Evil is lazy.

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Skirata_Kal
05.01.2012 , 09:40 AM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by nartiuslightlord View Post
faceless anonymity destroys MMOs!
So...the internet destroys MMOs?

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Same server would be fine. x-server destroys communitys and you can go check all the nubs sitting in que in some city floating on a flying mount waiting to see what x-server does to an MMO and the community.
You mean, like all the people in fleet sitting there doing nothing but spamming General? And that's without any LFD tool....

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It also breeds a certain type of gamer that flocks to x-server based MMO's who have no respect for people working as a team to defeat the instance. they simply don't get the drop they leave the group in mid-fight and find another group.
Those type players existed in great numbers before any LFD tool was implemented. And they exist in this game already.

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They don't have to be nice they just want the drop and can leave at anypoint. right now if you just leave a group you start your career on the server as a person who is ineffective in a group and your rep for being a arse-hat can grow to the point you will not find people to group with if your rep on the server is bad.

Also if your good at your class role and do well in groups you gain good rep with the community and get offers for more runs.
The rudest people I ever dealt with in WoW were same server people. They knew that since they were in one of the few raiding guilds on their server that they could get away with anything because if you complained, you didn't raid with them and hence probably didn't raid at all. When xrealm LFD came out, suddenly everyone who wanted to run something on their own time, could so more people were geared for raiding which opened that up to more guilds. Suddenly those people in their 'leet' guilds weren't so special anymore. Their power was reduced...which I for one consider a good thing. As for skill, I always got return invites and requests to switch guilds when I healed a group. I just didn't want to join any of those guilds full of snobs. After xrealm LFD came out, I even got requests to transfer servers lol. No, I'm not the greatest, but I wasn't a scrub either lol.
Forum troll, former fanboy, later a "hater", recent returnee

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Jarazar
05.01.2012 , 09:41 AM | #137
I think it is funny when people say "I only want LFG on my server...not cross server." What good is that going to do when you can't get a group together now. When you spam general chat for over an hour an can't find a group, what makes you think a same server LFG will work?

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Tristal
05.01.2012 , 09:41 AM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by ironix View Post
Sadly this solution screws over low population servers, though I agree that cross-server PVP & LFG makes it more difficult for communities to develop.
I don't see how it is any different for players on a low population server, I find it impossible to group currently and standing in fleet with like 10 people about is not very exciting, I would imagine it works just as well as the pvp system.

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ChaosKirin
05.01.2012 , 09:41 AM | #139
I dunno why there's so much hate.

If you want a community, HAVE ONE. I hate to say it, but duh? If there are so many people who are afraid of losing 'community,' how 'bout if you band together and, you know, make a 'We Love Community' guild?

...and let me have my cross-server LFG tool, where I will happily have fun and build community with people I may have never met if not for the LFG tool. I mean seriously, this isn't rocket science. You do things your way and be happy. Have all the happy fun-time community you want. Have a community PARTY, I don't care. If you and 9872 people are dead-set against LFG... what, are you afraid you're going to be forced to use it when it comes out? Just find the other people who don't want to use it and continue to look for a group the way you want to. Do you think the people who don't want it now are just going to go "*sigh,* oh well, guess I have to use the LFG tool now"?

Take some initiative and stop spamming LFG GEARED TANK HM BT all over the general chat.

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chaosdefined
05.01.2012 , 09:41 AM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerion View Post
Well, I won't be using it as I don't group with strangers.
Why are you playing an MMO?!

Quote: Originally Posted by Cerion View Post
Tell me, what concessions are YOU giving up in your proposal?

But hey, keep spewing your definition of 'compromise'. Anyone with a lick of schooling beyond 10th Grade Civics knows who is right here. That would be me.
Go on then, explain what it is you are giving up in the name of a compromise by saying only a Single Server LFG?

And while you're at it, explain your claims that Gold Sellers will use Cross-Server LFG to destroy the economy?