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Same Server LFG + Paid transfers = Fail...

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Galbatorrix
04.30.2012 , 10:38 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Balrizangor View Post
Read my post above yours.

They will be giving FREE transfers from selected servers (meaning LOW pop servers) to other servers. So, IF your old servers are low pop (which takes more into account than the number on fleet during your play times) they will probably be giving free transfers FROM it to other servers.

But, if you think it is better to delete characters then do so. I was just pointing out to you that that is a bit extreme since you have NO idea when or how the server transfer will happen. But, go ahead, delete away.

The free transfers won't be from low pop to heavy pop. The free transfers will be from low pop to standard pop. Sorry, again that's basic logic. My only hope is that because I already have characters on these servers, that they will allow me to add my other characters as well. I'm crossing my fingers...

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theoffspringlp
04.30.2012 , 11:32 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Balrizangor View Post
Read my post above yours.

They will be giving FREE transfers from selected servers (meaning LOW pop servers) to other servers. So, IF your old servers are low pop (which takes more into account than the number on fleet during your play times) they will probably be giving free transfers FROM it to other servers.

But, if you think it is better to delete characters then do so. I was just pointing out to you that that is a bit extreme since you have NO idea when or how the server transfer will happen. But, go ahead, delete away.
For all the crap the OP has been getting about making assumptions, people sure seem intent on refuting his assumptions with more assumptions. It's basically come down to "You're wrong for assuming x because I assume y". I don't agree with all of his points, but I feel his overall concern of where players are going to be allowed to transfer from/to is a valid concern. People are assuming that the transfers will be from low pop servers to standard/heavy pop servers, which is a possibility but by far not the only option. It's just as likely (if not more likely) that the free transfers will be for people to go from high pop servers to low pop. With the first proposal it's not unreasonable to think that some of the low-pop servers would be shut down. The second proposal make it less likely, although it's still possible.

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In the end its the fault of you guys that you didnt join a server with a small queue at release! mine was full and you have many people everywhere
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"We don't want to wait this long to play, we want it nao!"
"Ok we'll open some more shards"
"The new wore off and now all the queues are gone and I rolled on one of the newer shards and now I'm alone, give me a free transfer because I was too impatient to wait in a queue!"
Probably the most ignorant and arrogant assumptions made in this entire thread. When I selected a server for my republic characters, I made sure to pick from one that was "full", to avoid exactly what happened. Some of those servers are still standard to heavy at peak times, others are consistently low. So it wasn't so much being impatient as it was not being able to pick one of the few servers out of 46 pve east coast servers that still has a decent sized population.

I don't see why cross-server lfg would be so bad. It would allow people on low-pop servers to do group content, and people in high-pop servers could act like it doesn't exist. Seems pretty win-win to me.

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mdob
04.30.2012 , 11:57 AM | #53
Yes, I think folks are making a lot of assumptions, and here's my best shot at simplifying it.

Free Transfers will be for whatever BW deems is good for the community.

Paid Transfers will be for whatever YOU deem good for you.

If you are lucky, your needs will line up with BWs. If not, you pay.

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ColonelM
04.30.2012 , 12:08 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
I can't believe that I'm the only person having a difficult time with this...
I don't think you're alone in your thinking. The issue people have with this type of post is that most of what you've said is assumptive and not based on any facts we've seen yet.

If BW handles this logically, and I seriously hope they will, there will be a small number of servers that will be unavailable as transfer targets. I'd be willing to bet, for example, that you will be able to transfer from The Fatman but not to The Fatman. Whether I'm right or wrong, most of the responses are saying this: wait and see before freaking out and posting assumptions that "you're sure is gonna happen".

Moal
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ChaosKirin
04.30.2012 , 12:16 PM | #55
This is another assumption in part, but also a question.

Since Bioware paid for all these servers, would it not make more sense for them to give transfers FROM high-pop servers TO low-pop servers so that the money they put into servers that are currently low-pop would be justified?

A server is expensive to maintain. I don't think their best option would be to empty a server and shut it down, because then they'd be throwing away the funding they put into the server to start with. It seems a lot of people are thinking that the free transfers will be from low-pop to high-pop, but it seems more logical that they'd try to balance out emptier servers and remove database strain from already loaded servers.

idk, like I said, this is what I thought when I saw that transfers were coming. It's how WoW does it.

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ColonelM
04.30.2012 , 12:18 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Balrizangor View Post
They will be giving FREE transfers from selected servers (meaning LOW pop servers) to other servers.
This is what some of us are talking about. How exactly do you know, for a fact, that they mean low pop servers? Maybe there's just as many people on The Fatman that are frustrated with queues at peak times as there are people on Infinite Empire frustrated with high WZ queue times.

As for people getting aggravated about leaving a 50 on a low pop server, why not wait and see how things shake out when transfers open up. It just might be that your 50 will be on a server that lots of transfers target. You may find you want to move your current, re-rolled toon to the server your 50 is on. That's all I'm saying, along with other responders: wait and see before you start fussing over money that's still in your pocket.

Moal
"Try not. Do or do not. There is no try." - Jedi Master Yoda
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Skirata_Kal
04.30.2012 , 12:24 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrpoodles View Post
i am mega happy its server only. keep it that way always. make servers more fun and make new friends. i dont want a wow LFG full of bigots/punks/trolls/elite cool guys.
Oh yea..."LF1M dps raid x" <crickets> Great community builder there...and many of us have encountered those 'trolls' and ninja's in same server groups in this game. WoW's LFD tool was a great success. Their community was a cesspool long before that tool. It wasn't perfect though and there have been many great suggestions for preventing ninja-ing (e.g. liminting need rolls to gear useable by your AC). Most of the other drama was related to recount dps meter-epeen which we, at present, don't have in game.
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BJWyler
04.30.2012 , 12:31 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by ColonelM View Post
This is what some of us are talking about. How exactly do you know, for a fact, that they mean low pop servers? Maybe there's just as many people on The Fatman that are frustrated with queues at peak times as there are people on Infinite Empire frustrated with high WZ queue times.

As for people getting aggravated about leaving a 50 on a low pop server, why not wait and see how things shake out when transfers open up. It just might be that your 50 will be on a server that lots of transfers target. You may find you want to move your current, re-rolled toon to the server your 50 is on. That's all I'm saying, along with other responders: wait and see before you start fussing over money that's still in your pocket.

Moal
You are being way to logical for this thread. You should know by now that logic be damned - BW is attacking each and every one of us personally and forcing their hand into our wallet so we hate this game until we all leave and they shut down all the servers. I mean come on, logic? That's just an epic fail.

Anyway, I re-rolled to a low pop server simply because I couldn't use the name I wanted for a couple of alts. I wish there were more people, certainly, but I have no problem waiting until we get actual facts and information before making a judgement on the transfer system. In the mean time, I'm still logging on and enjoying the game. I know - shocking that the game is actually enjoyable, but then I have always been one to buck the trend whenever possible.

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ChaosKirin
04.30.2012 , 12:31 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
recount dps meter-epeen which we, at present, don't have in game.
Don't have it? Did they disallow recount?

I am all for a cross-server queue, too. I watch general, and it's become a spam-fest with a couple people that'll just spam the same thing over and over. Like 'Healer LFG BT Hard Mode' or something... 3 times in 1 minute is a bit of overkill. If you want to stick with people on the same server... join a guild. That's what they're for, and then everyone you play with has accountability and the like.

I don't see why adding a cross-server LFG tool destroys 'community.' The only thing that can either promote or destroy community is you as an individual.

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amantheil
04.30.2012 , 12:35 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by ChaosKirin View Post
This is another assumption in part, but also a question.

Since Bioware paid for all these servers, would it not make more sense for them to give transfers FROM high-pop servers TO low-pop servers so that the money they put into servers that are currently low-pop would be justified?
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idk, like I said, this is what I thought when I saw that transfers were coming. It's how WoW does it.
Well, they can offer free transfers from high-pop to low-pop all they want. I don't think anyone will take them up on it. Why would they? If you're on a group where you can easily find groups and queue for warzones, why would you transfer to a server where you couldn't? Blizzard's server transfers didn't help some of their population issues for precisely that reason, and Bioware's going to have to figure out how to make it work as well. I'm not sure what the solution is.