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Should the Jedi be culled?


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LemmingLeader
04.30.2012 , 09:36 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Clonedzero View Post
thats the dumbest line of thinking ive ever heard.

thats like saying everyone in africa should be culled because theres been alot of horrible dictators in africa. its ridiculous.

not to mention theres hundreds if nto thousands of years between those guys, yeah lets ignore all the good jedi do cus they COULD turn into a bad guy.

ridiculous thread is ridiculous.
Your african populace analogy is bad and isn't a good example.

Now, what IS a good example are the bad examples of african dictators, so much of them that all dictators need to get culled

And that's exactly what needed to happen to the Old Republic's Jedi Order. As the OP listed, some of the worst damage done in Star Wars was from a fallen Jedi.

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KeaneTaverson
04.30.2012 , 10:45 AM | #12
The root of the problem however is not the Jedi. True they fall to the Dark Side but I maintain two points:

1. Force sensitives would continue to exist.
2. You could not round up all the holocrons and databanks that contain light or dark side knowledge.

On the off chance some Force Sensitive finds a dark side holocron like so many times in history, trains to be a popstar diva... I mean Sith Lord.. and uses his/her power to build an empire and establish a new Sith Order...

Well who would stop them? Since the Jedi Order is wiped out?

Do NOT cull the Jedi.

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dprijadi
04.30.2012 , 11:24 AM | #13
add Satele Shan

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-Samhain-
05.04.2012 , 03:53 PM | #14
The issue here is that the Jedi Order seems to have too much freedom and autonomy. Why? They are mostly responsible (indirectly because of the Sith) for many of the major conflicts throughout the galaxy (notable exceptions being the Yuuzhan Vong War and the Killik Expansion). The point I am making here is that the Jedi have no checks to their own power or authority; they "serve" the Republic (or the GA) as they see fit and at times there is conflict even within the order as to what should be done to serve properly.

During the Mandalorian Wars the Jedi Council largely ignored the crisis and wanted to let things play out instead of helping, though Revan, Malak, and Meetra Surik, along with others, were able to stop the invasion and beat the Mandalorians (without approval of the Jedi Council though). So, the Jedi Order is not actually a resource for the Republic or the GA to call upon, they stand apart, even though they are indirectly responsible for the deaths of billions because of so many Jedi falling to the Dark Side.

The point of culling force users is meant to remove them as a threat to the galaxy once and for all. Now this might have serious problems. I doubt that the Yuuzhan Vong would have been able to be defeated without the Jedi, so perhaps other methods should be taken to keep the Jedi in check. Thoughts?

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JimNoonienSoong
05.04.2012 , 04:01 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by -Samhain- View Post
The issue here is that the Jedi Order seems to have too much freedom and autonomy. Why? They are mostly responsible (indirectly because of the Sith) for many of the major conflicts throughout the galaxy (notable exceptions being the Yuuzhan Vong War and the Killik Expansion). The point I am making here is that the Jedi have no checks to their own power or authority; they "serve" the Republic (or the GA) as they see fit and at times there is conflict even within the order as to what should be done to serve properly.

During the Mandalorian Wars the Jedi Council largely ignored the crisis and wanted to let things play out instead of helping, though Revan, Malak, and Meetra Surik, along with others, were able to stop the invasion and beat the Mandalorians (without approval of the Jedi Council though). So, the Jedi Order is not actually a resource for the Republic or the GA to call upon, they stand apart, even though they are indirectly responsible for the deaths of billions because of so many Jedi falling to the Dark Side.

The point of culling force users is meant to remove them as a threat to the galaxy once and for all. Now this might have serious problems. I doubt that the Yuuzhan Vong would have been able to be defeated without the Jedi, so perhaps other methods should be taken to keep the Jedi in check. Thoughts?


You can't "kill" the force, you can kill them all once, then the next generation will have several times last in the amount of force users in the galaxy. A jedi led coup was what removed a cruel dictator from power(Dala). The republic and GA are incredibly corrupt, these senators have several times the power of a US senator(Remember,these are bloody PLANETS that they represent and sometimes control too in the case of the Organas), thus they NEED the Jedi to control and regulate them.

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OldVengeance
05.04.2012 , 06:22 PM | #16
The Jedi are not responsible for the atrocities of the Sith and however much authority the Jedi Council does does not have makes no difference. Jedi who fall to the darkside are traitors, so they defy the order anyway. You believe that the actions of a traitor is still the responsible of the people he betrayed? How does that make sense?

It's not the fault of the Jedi that evil exists. It'd be like asking if the Republic Military should be allowed to exist if members because sometimes it's members become turncoats.

You also seem to blame the Council for not acting and also blame those who did act for falling to the darkside. What exactly do you want from them?

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Aximand
05.04.2012 , 08:48 PM | #17
Who let Karen Traviss onto the forums?
I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.
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Captain_Zone
05.04.2012 , 09:51 PM | #18
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Who let Karen Traviss onto the forums?
You beat me to it, brother.
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Aximand
05.04.2012 , 10:04 PM | #19
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You beat me to it, brother.
/brofist
I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.
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ScarletBlaze
05.04.2012 , 10:07 PM | #20
The major issue as I see it

Everyone seems to expect the Jedi to always do what each person thinks is right.

There is a little problem with that and that is called an opinion. What you may think is right someone else may think is wrong so essentially even in the Jedi Order there are different opinions on what to do and that is what creates the problem.

The Jedi Council unlike the Sith are not in the habit of forcing someone to do what they want (I have yet to see a Jedi Master shoot lightning or force choke someone for disagreeing). Though I can see where that might be an idea at times.

So in order for the Jedi Order to do things correctly they have to agree on the decision and considering the Jedi are people that is not always going to happen. All they can do is try to do what is best.

That can mean at times they mess up or they take too long to make a decision but reaching a decision isn't always easy (unless you want to start force choking everyone that disagrees with you ).

As far a Jedi falling to the darkside the responsibility lies with the Jedi that make that decision. I seriously doubt the Jedi Council goes up to someone and says "Hey you, we think you should fall to the darkside." Placing the blame on the Jedi Council or the Jedi Order for an individual jedi choosing the dark side isn't correct. The blame and responsibility belongs solely on the person that choose that path. The Jedi that falls to the darkside knows what they are doing.
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