Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer

Should the Jedi be culled?

-Samhain-'s Avatar

04.30.2012 , 05:39 AM | #1
Some of the most destructive Sith in the galaxy were originally Jedi prior to their fall.

Ajunta Pall - Rose to become a Jedi Master before his fall, founded the Sith Empire
Freedon Nadd - Originally aspired to become the greatest Jedi ever, eventually abandoned the dream to attempt to become the greatest Sith sorcerer ever, rose to become the Dark Lord of the Sith, lead to war eventually corrupted Exar Kun
Exar Kun - A Jedi Padawan that was corrupted by Freedon Nadd, started a war against the Jedi Order & the Old Republic
Ulic Qel-Droma - A Jedi Knight, eventually joined forces with Exar Kun after his fall to the dark side
Revan - Originally a Jedi Knight, led the Republic during the Mandalorian Wars and was eventually turned to the dark side by Vitiate, launched a war against the Old Republic. Eventually redeemed himself.
Malak - Companion and second in command to Revan, struck Revan down and rose to become Dark Lord of the Sith himself, continued the war against the Old Republic that Revan began, but was eventually killed by a redeemed Revan.
Traya - Originally a Jedi Master, she was exiled due to her role in training Revan, she trained Darth Sion and Nihulus in the dark side ways until she was betrayed by them when Nihilus declared himself Dark Lord of the Sith
Deslous - Originally a Jedi, led a campaign against the Jedi
Ruin - Another Jedi Master, fell to the darkside
Skere Kaan - Another Jedi Master, fell to the darkside, destroyed the Jedi Army of Light with a thought bomb
Tyranus - Count Dooku, probably needs no explanation
Vader - No explanation required
Kyp Durron - A Jedi master that became corrupted by the spirit of Exar Kun, eventually became responsible for the death of millions
Caedus - Jacen Solo, fell to the darkside through the influence of Lumiya, had a long fall to the dark side, but eventually killed Mara Jade Skywalker and was arguably a major source of the cause of the Second Galactic Civil War
Krayt - Originally a Jedi Master in the New Republic, he fell during his captivity with the Yuuzhan Vong, he rebuilt the Sith Order, began a new war, and brought about the destruction of the New Jedi Order

While those that were originally Jedi make up less than half of the list of Dark Lords of the Sith, those that happened to be Jedi and fell contributed to most of the strife and death throughout the galaxy. Given that the role of the Jedi Order is relatively benign in comparison as a balancing force, should the Jedi even be allowed to exist, given the propensity for death and destruction that can be caused by those that fall?

Darth_Moonshadow's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 05:55 AM | #2
That's a very good point and would make for a great story arc.
Quote: Originally Posted by BruceMaclean View Post

And I love Darth Moonshadow's responses.

dazednconfuzed's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 06:06 AM | #3
From a purely evil, Sith-like point of view... I'd love to wipe out the Jedi. Weaklings that they are.
Jedi Master Kai'sinn. Not only evil hides in the shadows.
Jedi Master Tzathali. Korriban/Tython Exchange Program.
Major Dulne. Nothing will stop Havoc Squad, Sir.

peterjohndevries's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 06:20 AM | #4
well think of it:
1) Jedi apparently have to repress their emotions, Not allowed to fall in love....sound familiar? Any organization that tries to establish these rules drive 'deviant' behaviour underground. I've always found that opening story arc about the Jedi lovers and the Kira companion story line disconcerting
2) most lore related to entities with power - a.k.a magic end up with organizations that hold them on a strict leash because of the possible abuses of this power

So what is suprirsingly missing are the shackles and leashes that one would expect on anyone demonstrating force powers that would allow someone to control the user (similar to the 'wheel of time' series)

Keefinlolol's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 07:47 AM | #5
No. So long as you have the Force, you'll have Jedi and Sith and every other order of Force sensitives throughout the galaxy. The Sith and Jedi aren't the source of corruption, they're just a product of the corruption inherent in everyone who's given such power.

Captain_Zone's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 08:44 AM | #6
The Jedi DID get culled. At the end of the Prequels, the Jedi were done. Finished. Over with. Except for a handful of survivors, they were extinct. The next Jedi Order that formed 30 some odd years after that was MUCH better with Luke at the helm, imo. He valued the people in his order, and didn't try to turn them into drones. He allowed love and marriage, and dealt with each case of falling to the Dark Side individually. He did NOT punish everyone for a single mistake by one individual.

In fact, of all the Jedi Masters out there, Luke is one of very few that showed any common sense whatsoever.
The New Jedi Code: "Keep Calm & Carry a Lightsaber"

Captain_Zone's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 09:02 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by -Samhain- View Post
Kyp Durron - A Jedi master that became corrupted by the spirit of Exar Kun, eventually became responsible for the death of millions
Krayt - Originally a Jedi Master in the New Republic, he fell during his captivity with the Yuuzhan Vong, he rebuilt the Sith Order, began a new war, and brought about the destruction of the New Jedi Order.
Two points of contention here. It's been quite a while since I read it, but I don't think Kyp was a Master when he fell. I do believe he was still an apprentice or knight.

And Krayt may just be retconned since his destruction of the NJO takes place after Luke's death in the Legacy timeline. Basically, George Lucas doesn't want Luke dead, so chances are the entire Legacy arc that takes place over a hundred years after Yavin IV is going to get the axe.

The point about Krayt is, Luke is dead somehow. George Lucas has stated that Luke, Leia, and Han have Immortal Plot Armor in the Expanded Universe. In other words, anything after Luke's death hasn't happened yet, and won't happen unless George Lucas either A) passes away, or B) gives his permission for Luke Skywalker to die.

(I do not agree with George Lucas on any of this Sacred Cow business) - Disclaimer
The New Jedi Code: "Keep Calm & Carry a Lightsaber"

grandmthethird's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 09:10 AM | #8
its harder than you would think

jedi are like flee's, they multiply at an alarming rate, if you dont' kill every last one. you have a new jedi order within a generation *cough*luke*cough*
"Hope has a vicious enemy called fate"

Clonedzero's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 09:18 AM | #9
thats the dumbest line of thinking ive ever heard.

thats like saying everyone in africa should be culled because theres been alot of horrible dictators in africa. its ridiculous.

not to mention theres hundreds if nto thousands of years between those guys, yeah lets ignore all the good jedi do cus they COULD turn into a bad guy.

ridiculous thread is ridiculous.

Freshtech's Avatar

04.30.2012 , 09:31 AM | #10
I've been thinking a lot about the jedi code lately, and I've decided that the problem isn't with the code so much as it is with the Jedi selection process. The Jedi Code is very strict and is not for everyone. My interpretation of the code is that it calls for the erasure of one's own self in service of a higher cause. This is an extremely difficult thing to ask of someone, and is not a decision a child could make. The Jedi should not actively recruit young force sensitives, but should only accept adults who have committed themselves to the Code and have proven themselves capable. The Jedi should be a very small and selective order, rather than a huge organization of Force sensitives. For analogy, I would say that the Jedi should be seen like monks and nuns; a select group of individuals who have committed themselves to a strict cause. Not all Force sensitives need to be Jedi, just like not all Christians need to be monks or nuns.
S'yrenity - Mandalore the Healer

Empress Teta Refugee on The Harbinger