The SWTOR hate.

If it was truly our computers and ISPs, wouldn't we all be experiencing the same issues in all games?

Yeah they pretty much lost me when they started adding "Mega Lazorz " and Dranei technology....there was a lot of promise during that first beat event and none of that crap was there.

But is it really free to play, or will you have to spend very real money to get better gear and unlock more capabilities?

Arenanet does not have official forums. Nor will they.

They decided a long time ago watching what happened over at Blizzard (since the founders came from there) that they would never put time and resources into what amounts to just a location for people to come and b**** about their hard work. It's going to occur, but they aren't going to subsidize it, was their mentality.

Many people did exactly the same with SWTOR (like the WoW killer nonsense). Sure, there where more people who also had doubts, but most of that doubts were very well justified. SWTOR has many flaws, and many of them are known for a long time. Sure, GW2 might also have its flaws, but it is amazing how little of those have been found yet (I watch quite a few stuff and follow many websites on this, still I hardly found any reason why I should be worried with GW2). Haven't seen that with any MMO so far, mostly people who say bad things about GW2 have either not played it or just have no clue or say stupid stuff like it is generic fantasy (even if it would be generic fantasy it would not make it bad... do people even know what generic fantasy means I wonder some times?).

You still haven't quite understood his point. He explained that certain games with very high graphical specs demand higher bandwidth and are more likely to be bottlenecked, and that SWtOR may be an example of one.

As for myself, I'd just ask you that, if it really were SWtOR, wouldn't everyone be having these same problems regardless of their computers of ISPs? Many have no problems - the person you're discussing with even while using a 2 year old computer! Clearly, then, there's more to it than simply saying it's SWtOR's fault.

I was very disappointed, I am actually looking forward to GW2, it looks great, I expect to play a Nornecromancer, but I don't have nearly the expectations others will have, and I can imagine myself defending that game from the doom-sayers as well.

But I must state, my computer is an Acer Aspire x3450, so perhaps higher range computers can handle much more than mine can, but my PC is not exactly a pushover either, it plays TOR on max, Skyrim on max, etc...

Smart move.

Yes they will They also have a very active very nasty mean spirited beta forum for us regular beta testers

I have a 2.4 Core2Duo (Conroe) with 4GB of RAM and a 9600GT running at 1440x900 and I get 30fps average while questing. It sure drops a little on warzones or FPs but I can't ask for more on such a dated computer. With that said, I don't understand why people with much better machines are complaining so much.

Now, on the topic, as I said before somewhere on these forums, you should start to hate your own wrong expectations about the game. If you're looking forward to something don't abuse on expectations. Wait to see how things come up and just then draw your conclusions. There are some flaws in game here and there but I believe BW will fix them. Also since WoW's success, industry started to see the same number of subscriptions WoW has as the target to set any other MMO as successful and that's wrong. WoW was and is an aberration subscription number wise! Not even Blizzard thought they could get so many people in the game. Any profitable MMO is a success. The big advantage of WoW was the time it was released. There weren't so many MMO's then as there are today and with that they attracted many people. Now the market it much more fragmented. There's a lot of different MMO's of several types and different lores. One just have to pick the one he or she likes. I played WoW for many years. I grew tired of it. Now I'm enjoying SWTOR and EVE. Haters gonna hate no matter what. There's not much we can do about it. I guess the best thing we can do is play what gives us joy and let haters waste their time hating. Maybe one day they'll look back and see the precious time they wasted instead of using it to enjoy something else.