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The Jedi Code


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Triskelematt
04.24.2012 , 06:08 PM | #1
When and where was the jedi code devolped? I'm not talking about storyline wise, i'm talking about real timeline. Re-watching the original movies I saw no reference to it or it's principles. In fact Obi Wan encourages Luke to trust his feelings and to follow his compasson. Throughout the films Luke gets angry on several occassions with no reprecussions. When tempted by the Emperor he is asked to embrace his hatred, to fully give into it. Not simply provoke emotions.

Being that Obi Wan was a member of the Old Republic and was subject to the training of the Jedi Order as well as his emotionless and boring mentor...Qui Gon Jinn (I had to look his name up being that he is so forgettable); you would think that Obi Wan would attempt to pass some of this 'wisdom' onto his student.

Luke then goes on to defeat the Empire and form his own Order, marry and have children.

It seems to me that the Jedi Code was developed much later after the original (and succesful) movies to make the Jedi.. more boring i suppose? That is the only purpose I can find in it. Jedi go from heroes who care for justice and the people to robots. "There is no emotion, there is peace"

I started a Jedi Consular because I like to play the good guy and the class mechanics fit my playstyle but I couldn't make it through the prologue. I was able to get through the emotionless dialogue up until the point where I was called to investigate two padawan who were dating. I couldn't take it anymore. Luke formed strong friendships, felt love (first romantically then brotherly to Leia) and eventually marriage without problem. Yet clearly this is the path to the dark side. The Jedi Code needs to go.

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Barrgil
04.24.2012 , 06:11 PM | #2
To be completely honest, the Jedi Code makes zero sense and everyone who says they 'follow' it has contradicted it already.

It's really just a lie.
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Wolfninjajedi
04.24.2012 , 06:13 PM | #3
The original code was this:

Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force.

This code seems to make the most sense for the movies to use. But thats another story for another time. Pretty much the jedi code seeing as you want real life, is pretty much a mix of many religions put into one.
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Silvrus
04.24.2012 , 06:17 PM | #4
Well, in the real world, Star Wars started out as just another space opera sci fi movie. Then it took off, and the universe has been fleshed out over the years.

In universe, you have to realize the Jedi are all but extinct by the time of A New Hope, and Luke starts his training very late. His teachers die off before they can instill much more than what was required to defeat Vader and the Emperor. Also, I think the Jedi code was part of what led to their downfall, in that they became complacent. Sith thrive on adversity, change and chaos, and became stronger for it, while the Jedi developed a superiority complex that left them stagnant, and ripe for the picking.

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ScarletBlaze
04.24.2012 , 06:23 PM | #5
Maybe understanding the code is what more jedi need to do first instead of just thinkin the code says no emotion:


The Jedi Code, stated, removes the human element and shows what is left. Yet it does not say that is how one should act. It does not say Act with No Emotion. Instead it shows us the error in heedlessly following our human nature. Emotion clouds peace, ignorance overshadows knowledge, passion distorts serenity, chaos destroys harmony, death hides the Force. Now lets bring this all together and look at each line of the Jedi Code and how it exactly guides a Jedi in daily life.

There is no emotion; there is peace. A Jedi acts and reacts in a calm manner, not allowing the emotions they are feeling to cloud their judgment, reasoning, and objective.


There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. A Jedi faces each new challenge with the opportunity to gain more knowledge. They do not fear the unknown, but take the chance to learn about the unknown.


There is no passion; there is serenity. A Jedi does not allow their passions in life to affect their judgment, reason, or objectives. A Jedi acts and reacts keeping a serene mind, unaffected by their personal desire.


There is no chaos; there is harmony. A Jedi seeks moderation and balance with all things. Even though life can be very chaotic a Jedi finds harmony with that chaos. Balance in the world around them, balance within themselves, the middle-ground in each situation, and even on a larger scale harmony between technology and nature.


And lastly there is no death; there is the Force. A Jedi understands that the Force is created and associated with life. Yet death is also a natural part of life. For a Jedi there is no fear of death. For death is merely one more unknown, another chance for the Jedi to gain knowledge about the Force itself.


They should actually strive for peace in any argument or hostile situation. They should have knowledge on a wide variety of subjects, with first hand experience, and seek to remove ignorance; personal or otherwise.

They have overcome chaos, and when met with it are able to find harmony in all things, all aspects of life

With regard to romance/marriage:

It is not forbidden, just restrictive in this time periold. Love/marriage a jedi can have provided:

1. They go to the council and discuss it and get permission

2. Have been able to prove that their relationship will not cause them to forget their duty and or responsbililty.

3. Able to accept that death may occur and in such circumstances they have to be able to handle the deah of their lover/spouse in such a way that they respect the Jedi Order and their spouse/love.
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Triskelematt
04.24.2012 , 06:34 PM | #6
I see your point Silvrus. If that is true then the Jedi are better off now without it.

As far as the explanation of the Jedi Code goes, it makes sense in theory but in practice every Jedi acts and talks as if they've just taken an Ambien. Both in this game and in the new movies. Makes it pretty difficult to get behind a character and their story if they display no emotion over whats going on around them.

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Silvrus
04.24.2012 , 07:04 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Triskelematt View Post
I see your point Silvrus. If that is true then the Jedi are better off now without it.

As far as the explanation of the Jedi Code goes, it makes sense in theory but in practice every Jedi acts and talks as if they've just taken an Ambien. Both in this game and in the new movies. Makes it pretty difficult to get behind a character and their story if they display no emotion over whats going on around them.
I agree. Too much emphasis was placed on suppressing emotions that in the end it blinded the Jedi to the harsh realities of the galaxy.

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JediElf
04.24.2012 , 07:05 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Triskelematt View Post
I see your point Silvrus. If that is true then the Jedi are better off now without it.

As far as the explanation of the Jedi Code goes, it makes sense in theory but in practice every Jedi acts and talks as if they've just taken an Ambien. Both in this game and in the new movies. Makes it pretty difficult to get behind a character and their story if they display no emotion over whats going on around them.
I agree.

So far I've only been playing as Sith and Empire classes, and every jedi that I've met so far makes me want to roll a Jedi less and less. They just seem so droning, emotionless, and completely indoctrinated.

Also they really don't seem to mind....well...felling upon my lightsaber when I defeat them. I find that, tenuous, grip on life a bit disconcerting. Sure my Sith is a bit crazy, but at least he can feel something, and he fights to the very end.

My question to those who rolled Jedi. Are the stories any good? Does your character have life and zeal? Do the other Jedi act somewhat normal, or like they just downed a bottle of Xanax?
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Wolfninjajedi
04.24.2012 , 07:06 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by JediElf View Post
I agree.

So far I've only been playing as Sith and Empire classes, and every jedi that I've met so far makes me want to roll a Jedi less and less. They just seem so droning, emotionless, and completely indoctrinated.

Also they really don't seem to mind....well...felling upon my lightsaber when I defeat them. I find that, tenuous, grip on life a bit disconcerting. Sure my Sith is a bit crazy, but at least he can feel something, and he fights to the very end.

My question to those who rolled Jedi. Are the stories any good? Does your character have life and zeal? Do the other Jedi act somewhat normal, or like they just downed a bottle of Xanax?
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lokdron
04.24.2012 , 07:15 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by JediElf View Post
I agree.

So far I've only been playing as Sith and Empire classes, and every jedi that I've met so far makes me want to roll a Jedi less and less. They just seem so droning, emotionless, and completely indoctrinated.

Also they really don't seem to mind....well...felling upon my lightsaber when I defeat them. I find that, tenuous, grip on life a bit disconcerting. Sure my Sith is a bit crazy, but at least he can feel something, and he fights to the very end.

My question to those who rolled Jedi. Are the stories any good? Does your character have life and zeal? Do the other Jedi act somewhat normal, or like they just downed a bottle of Xanax?
I agree jedi I meet on the empire side seem so out of it and when I beat them in combat they are ready to fall on my lightsaber and I happily oblige them

When playing the jedi knight the sith are a lot more characterful than the jedi that I am allied with.
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