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05.05.2012 , 05:00 PM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
1. Free game time was credited on or around April 25. Dan Erickson's statement and the previous two announcements of the 1.7 million subscription level were made well before that. The Q4 2012 numbers will also reflect the status before then, since EA's Q4 2012 ended March 31. The exception is if EA makes statements about the "current" state or future state of the game (earnings statements contain a mix of historical, current, and forward-looking data).

2. Subscription counts, especially when part of earnings statements, are made to reflect revenue earned. From this perspective, it doesn't matter if someone has stopped playing or not. For that matter, EA has no way of knowing if someone who has unsubbed intends to start playing or not. The industry practice is to count all paid subscriptions that have not expired, including the 30 days that are paid through the initial purchase of the game.
True. So they will not count my lost sub until after Aug. 17th, only I do still play. After that...I am not so sure. Maybe it is the end of this year we can look back and see what has happened and know for sure if the complaints about the game where valid and if Bioware made the correct changes and additions.
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Angedechu
05.05.2012 , 05:02 PM | #302
Why do you assume that all stockholders are stupid ?

If Bioware is padding the numbers of subs in such a crude way, people will notice.

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05.05.2012 , 05:02 PM | #303
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Huh? You know how to count? This will be the first quarter report. :P
I have many flaws, but a counting weakness is not one of them. The original statement of 1.7 million subscriptions was made at the Q3 2012 earnings call on February 1. The number was the same just over a month later, per a March 8 statement made by the EA's CEO at the Wedbush 2012 Technology Media and Telecommunications Conference. Finally we have the April 23 statement in a Dan Erickson interview that "subscriber numbers haven’t dropped, but concurrent users at peak times have."

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As many got a 3 month sub and also the 30 free days in addition.
Speaking of counting, why should BioWare not count revenue just because it was paid in a 3-month chunk instead of a 1-month chunk? And the 30 free days are irrelevant, as they do not apply to Q4 2012.

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Angedechu
05.05.2012 , 05:05 PM | #304
I certainly hope you don't think that companies care, from a fiscal POV, if you use the games you bought.

I bought FFXIII-2 when it was out. I have yet to play it (did not had time). Does that change anyone for SQuenix ?

Does it change anything for EA stockholders that people are stupid enough to be subbed to TOR for not playing ?

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05.05.2012 , 05:06 PM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
I have many flaws, but a counting weakness is not one of them. The original statement of 1.7 million subscriptions was made at the Q3 2012 earnings call on February 1. The number was the same just over a month later, per a March 8 statement made by the EA's CEO at the Wedbush 2012 Technology Media and Telecommunications Conference. Finally we have the April 23 statement in a Dan Erickson interview that "subscriber numbers haven’t dropped, but concurrent users at peak times have."



Speaking of counting, why should BioWare not count revenue just because it was paid in a 3-month chunk instead of a 1-month chunk? And the 30 free days are irrelevant, as they do not apply to Q4 2012.
You are right. Sorry. I forgot about the date the free 30 days was added. I do know however, BioWare knows how active each "paid" account is and how many players are on each server each night. You agree?
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Angedechu
05.05.2012 , 05:09 PM | #306
I strongly doubt that there is a counter at Bioware that tell them that ''DarthIhaveathrobbinglightsaberinmypants'' plays one hour per week or one hour per day.

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05.05.2012 , 05:11 PM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Angedechu View Post
Why do you assume that all stockholders are stupid ?

If Bioware is padding the numbers of subs in such a crude way, people will notice.
It happens all the time in top corporations and local and federal goverments. Not saying this is the case of BioWare padding numbers, but it has been known to happen with other companies and the truth can only be hidden for so long. But it really does not matter for the player who is paying for the game. If they donot feel the game is right for them..they will move on and those numbers will eventually come out as being lost.
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05.05.2012 , 05:13 PM | #308
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I strongly doubt that there is a counter at Bioware that tell them that ''DarthIhaveathrobbinglightsaberinmypants'' plays one hour per week or one hour per day.
Yes...they know. Blizzard knows. It is a important gathering resource tool and is actually a more accurate tool than the forums by a long shot. They know how many do certain events, experence Flashpoints and Operations..etc.
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05.05.2012 , 05:37 PM | #309
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Why do you assume that all stockholders are stupid ?

If Bioware is padding the numbers of subs in such a crude way, people will notice.
My thoughts exactly, Its not something they could do long term aswell.
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05.05.2012 , 05:47 PM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
"subscriber numbers haven’t dropped, but concurrent users at peak times have."
Many like myself are still counted as an active sub, do to the free time given, after cancelling.

So concurrent users would have peaked while sub numbers remained constant. Given the continual decline in actual numbers on servers, the sub number will drop eventually.
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