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EA to Release Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Results on May 7, 2012

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EA to Release Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Results on May 7, 2012

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Goretzu
04.24.2012 , 07:21 AM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
What is the context of that? Who made that statement? Was it an accountant? Was it a financial officer? Is this a US public company they are talking about? Not many game companies are listed on the NYSE, which are subject to Sarbanes-Oxley and MUCH MORE STRINGENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS than some privately held software company, a point which you ignore.
It's what most MMORPGs do and have done.

There's nothing illegal or dodgy (legally) about including any of those accounts in your subs numbers, which is why they do it. Although it might not be what most people would always think of as active subs.

SoE was doing it well over 10 years ago now.

Like every thing the "truth" depends on your point of view.
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Holden_Dissent
04.24.2012 , 07:22 AM | #192
Too bad SWTOR doesn't get to pad it's numbers like WoW does. All of their Asian accounts are considered active whether they logged in jan 2003 or april 2012.

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iheartnyc
04.24.2012 , 07:23 AM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by ZudetGambeous View Post
I'm sure the report will read something like this:

"As of the end of April we have over 2 million active accounts."

Of course they will strategically use the word "active accounts" instead of subs so they can count all the players who had their accounts forced back open for a week even if they canceled.

And also coincided with the free month all active accounts have been given so that it is impossible for them to see any drop off or reduction in "active" accounts.

If they report actual sub numbers, they still get to count all the free month people, but I don't think they can count the 7 days of forced activation accounts. Then I predict probably about 1 million subs total.

Our guild alone has added over 50 people who have started over from dead servers this past month, yet our overall server population has remained relatively stagnant, which says to me that people are leaving pretty steadily even while the players do their own manual server merges.
This is sad. No, public companies don't "strategically" manipulate their numbers (well, Enron did). Public companies disclose losses and bad financial and operating results all the time. ALL THE TIME. They've been doing it all week and last week (it's earnings season everybody). And you're saying EA will just do that?

First off, subscription numbers aren't that important to EA. Revenue top line numbers. Current liabilities. Long-term debt. Short-term debt. Comparison from 1Q2011 vs. 1Q2012. These are what investors really care about. And you think the CEO will sign his name on a "Strategically" manipulated number, risking jail time, just to change a number which frankly, investors won't care too much about?

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iheartnyc
04.24.2012 , 07:25 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
It's what most MMORPGs do and have done.

There's nothing illegal or dodgy (legally) about including any of those accounts in your subs numbers, which is why they do it. Although it might not be what most people would always think of as active subs.

SoE was doing it well over 10 years ago now.

Like every thing the "truth" depends on your point of view.
Most MMORPGs aren't operated by PUBLICLY LISTED COMPANIES. Why is that so hard to grasp? A privately held company can lie for all it cares. Who's going to sue?

A US public company can't. Its shareholders will sue, and the SEC will be giving your CFO a call.

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Icysunx
04.24.2012 , 07:26 AM | #195
Well considering the free month extends everyone's subscription, they will have every subscriber active that ever bought the game.

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iheartnyc
04.24.2012 , 07:26 AM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Yes, purposely posting a false rumour on over 500 different message boards might, but saying you think SWTOR has XXXXXXX subs here isn't the same thing at all.


Although it seems I was spot on with the plea bargain.
And you were flat out wrong with you, "No, not at all."

I come up with evidence proving your, "No, not at all" comment completely incorrect, and then you backtrack and revise your argument to "well actually...as long as you don't do it to over 500 different message boards.....". Care to make anymore caveats? Or will you just admit you were wrong with you, "No, not at all"?

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Holden_Dissent
04.24.2012 , 07:29 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Icysunx View Post
Well considering the free month extends everyone's subscription, they will have every subscriber active that ever bought the game.
Your account had to be active to get the free month. Plus I think it was already pointed out that they are taking numbers for this month. Not next month (the free month)

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Goretzu
04.24.2012 , 07:30 AM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
Most MMORPGs aren't operated by PUBLICLY LISTED COMPANIES. Why is that so hard to grasp? A privately held company can lie for all it cares. Who's going to sue?

A US public company can't. Its shareholders will sue, and the SEC will be giving your CFO a call.
SoE isn't? EA isn't with Warhammer Online? Even Warner Bros are at it now.

I understand what you're saying, but you don't seem to understand the MMORPG market.
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Icysunx
04.24.2012 , 07:30 AM | #199
Last week everyones account was active whether they relogged in or not.

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Goretzu
04.24.2012 , 07:32 AM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
And you were flat out wrong with you, "No, not at all."
So you weren't suggesting posting numbers here is a federal crime then?

Fair enough, I misunderstood, but then way post it at all?


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I come up with evidence proving your, "No, not at all" comment completely incorrect, and then you backtrack and revise your argument to "well actually...as long as you don't do it to over 500 different message boards.....". Care to make anymore caveats? Or will you just admit you were wrong with you, "No, not at all"?
So (just to be clear) you are saying someone posting SWTOR has XXXXX subs here is a federal crime?

Again no, it is NOT!
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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