EA to Release Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Results on May 7, 2012

Even with 2-3 servers WAR is probably currently still making a profit, however it had very little actual developement after Live due to EA (even LOTD was mostly developed pre-launch).

But that's because it has ~1 Dev and no real developement, which is what I mean, SWTOR is currently getting a decent amount of development, but the team doing it must be sizeable and expensive.

The 90% of people I came with were all really looking forward to SWTOR and had been for a long time, if it cannot retain them, then it is NOT retaining an awful lot of other people (as we may see with time).

Also Guild wars 2 is going to e a nice game but just like toy sen on here for it come out the same thing is going on over there. Is it going to be fun but, its not going to be the end all and be all of games.

It will, as always, come down to how many are needed to continue reasonable amounts of development/fixes. If the subs. go below that mark, then it's likely to go into life-support mode as many other MMOs have. No clue if they've made their investment back, I would think so by now, but haven't followed closely enough to hazard a guess. After that it's down to having "enough" to carry on.

I've no fear that, in the foreseeable future anyway, SWTOR has plenty to stay above the "life-support" stage but remain below the "WoW" stage. And that's fine. So long as it doesn't go stagnant, I'm in and even if it does go stagnant, I'm in 'til I accomplish my personal goals.

Well this is what i meant with war, for me the basic concept of war is one of the all time great mmos but its one of those great in concept and poorly done, mostly on the part of the servers which were run by GOA thus EA's battle to remove them.

There was little point in EA investing huge ammounts of cash into WAR because the servers just were pap and people were leaving in droves due to the insane lag.

I know exaxctly where your coming from too with why your friends left, they fully expected a fleshed out mmo with everything in it from every title they had seen and expected it to have everything from what they had come from which was never going to happen at launch.

Over time we will get all the features so even if they dont retain everyone when the features do come of which we have alot of now and most others in development I and i suspect you also due to being in mmos from launch know to be patient as these things will come.

That sentence fails in so many ways.

In what bizzarro world is 'stagnating' at 1.7 million subs an indication of something 'not so great.'

This is the problem with people stuck in the pessimism of the echo chamber. They've convinced each other through virtual pats on the back and unquestioning validation that 1.7 million subs is HORRIBLE.

OMG, SWTOR has 'stagnated' at 1.7 million subs...tehy must be doin' it wrong!!

Heh. EQ was lauded for having 250k subscribers. This was, of course, before the great explosion that was WoW by which now all sub. bases are compared.

It's about profit and if a game is profitable it will still be around...UO, EQ etc. Still around.

Let's be fair, though. The "1.7 million subs" is also the optimism echo chamber. Someone said that must be the number and if we repeat it enough it must be true. I don't believe TOR has 1.7 million subs just as I don't believe WoW has 10.5 million subs. The reality of the situation lies somewhere between the two chambers.

Unfortunately, we're not entirely privy to that information. So the wheel keeps spinnin'.

That sort of change at that level would be a relatively generic churn rate + new subs, or a negligible change on that scale.

Wow, sore subject for you, eh?

Haha, more like "wanna-be day traders" .

Well said. People forget the scale of the MMO market historically in the face of the anomaly that is/was WOW.