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Shinarika - Shadow Breaker [Ultimate Jedi Shadow/Sith Assassin Guide]

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Shinarika - Shadow Breaker [Ultimate Jedi Shadow/Sith Assassin Guide]

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Caceyn
04.24.2012 , 12:23 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika View Post
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Am9ZY8zYX8

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Jedi Shadow/Sith Assassin Guide

The ultimate Jedi Shadow/ Sith Assassin guide to PvP. Updated for 1.2, this segment is jam-packed with information to cover almost every aspect of this class. From learning to spec to understanding how to use your abilities, this montage sees to it that you perform at the top notch of your ability. Hope you enjoy the education and find the material useful. Stay tuned!

00:19-00:39 : Ability Codex
00:40-01:33 : Kinetic Combat Introduction, Rotation, Tips, Focus and Gear
01:34-02:09 : Infiltration Introduction, Rotation, Tips, Focus and Gear
02:10-02:45 : Balance Introduction, Rotation, Tips, Focus and Gear
02:47-03:15 : Gear Setup for All Specs
03:16-04:57 : Example Fights for All Specs
04:58-05:16 : Example Specs for All Specs

Produced by PSI.
Edited by Shinarika.
Filmed by Shinarika.

Balance: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601McZRZfMfRrMkrfz.1
Infiltration: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#60...bRkGMbtzZf0c.1
Kinetic: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601rcrozrskrsZZf0cM.1

Additional
Ability Descriptions: http://jedi.well-of-souls.com/abilities_consular.html
Gear/Character Check: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/
Nice video as always, and I must say that i've learned a lot from you regarding "rotation/priority" etc. The only thing I disagree with on this though is the spec that you use for Inf. Like you I stared using the 2/31/8 spec from the beginning, and I absolutely loved the burst potential that it has.

My problem with it though is when setting up for burst. I essentially have a 45% chance to do an extra 2-2.5k damage every 10 seconds due to upheaval. Instead of putting my points into upheaval I did this spec:

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601McMZhGrRkhMbtzZc.1

What i've found out by using that spec instead is that I lose the burst potential (yes I know burst is king in PVP) with the extra rock, I gain though about 4-500 extra white damage per CS. In that same cool down time of 10 seconds I'm not doing about 2.6k-3.3k of guaranteed damage. I also gained additional survivability by the decrease in cool downs for resilience and force speed. Against tank armor that i'm trying to chew threw like vanguards/KC shadows i'm hitting much harder and its almost a winable scenerio for me.

Now, my gear is no where near what yours is, i'm just BM with a the Force Healer earpiece. I would imagine with your gear levels you would do even more and it would make the numbers even better. Here is my gearing below for your comparison.

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...a-91419afaebe7

If you could give it a try and let me know your thoughts on it i'd appreciate it.

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Darkerwarrior
04.24.2012 , 12:30 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Caceyn View Post
Nice video as always, and I must say that i've learned a lot from you regarding "rotation/priority" etc. The only thing I disagree with on this though is the spec that you use for Inf. Like you I stared using the 2/31/8 spec from the beginning, and I absolutely loved the burst potential that it has.

My problem with it though is when setting up for burst. I essentially have a 45% chance to do an extra 2-2.5k damage every 10 seconds due to upheaval. Instead of putting my points into upheaval I did this spec:

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601McMZhGrRkhMbtzZc.1

What i've found out by using that spec instead is that I lose the burst potential (yes I know burst is king in PVP) with the extra rock, I gain though about 4-500 extra white damage per CS. In that same cool down time of 10 seconds I'm not doing about 2.6k-3.3k of guaranteed damage. I also gained additional survivability by the decrease in cool downs for resilience and force speed. Against tank armor that i'm trying to chew threw like vanguards/KC shadows i'm hitting much harder and its almost a winable scenerio for me.

Now, my gear is no where near what yours is, i'm just BM with a the Force Healer earpiece. I would imagine with your gear levels you would do even more and it would make the numbers even better. Here is my gearing below for your comparison.

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...a-91419afaebe7

If you could give it a try and let me know your thoughts on it i'd appreciate it.
That's exactly my spec too expect I put the points in expertise and not force speed. I noticed a 200dps increase thanks to combat log parsing and what not.

Sustained > Chance

that's why at the very start I with willpower- power > crit.

Sustain will always trump chance.

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Tyresog
04.24.2012 , 12:34 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Caceyn View Post
Nice video as always, and I must say that i've learned a lot from you regarding "rotation/priority" etc. The only thing I disagree with on this though is the spec that you use for Inf. Like you I stared using the 2/31/8 spec from the beginning, and I absolutely loved the burst potential that it has.

My problem with it though is when setting up for burst. I essentially have a 45% chance to do an extra 2-2.5k damage every 10 seconds due to upheaval. Instead of putting my points into upheaval I did this spec:

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601McMZhGrRkhMbtzZc.1

What i've found out by using that spec instead is that I lose the burst potential (yes I know burst is king in PVP) with the extra rock, I gain though about 4-500 extra white damage per CS. In that same cool down time of 10 seconds I'm not doing about 2.6k-3.3k of guaranteed damage. I also gained additional survivability by the decrease in cool downs for resilience and force speed. Against tank armor that i'm trying to chew threw like vanguards/KC shadows i'm hitting much harder and its almost a winable scenerio for me.

Now, my gear is no where near what yours is, i'm just BM with a the Force Healer earpiece. I would imagine with your gear levels you would do even more and it would make the numbers even better. Here is my gearing below for your comparison.

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...a-91419afaebe7

If you could give it a try and let me know your thoughts on it i'd appreciate it.

I am in a similar boat. I focus mainly on pve currently with my INF and find the 10 second reduction in speed is huge for boss mechanics (our only darn gap closer) and 15 off resilience is invaluable. If DPS is a wash between 7/31/3 and 2/31/8 my decision is easy...but I have yet to see a definitive comparison.

Also, if you don't mind expanding on your omission of security breach that would be awesome. I know it's a debatable topic and I'd love to hear your opinion

Thanks!!!

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Tyresog
04.24.2012 , 12:39 PM | #34
Sorry to double post but 1 more thing...

I experimented with only 2 points in Infiltration Tactics and am finding my proc availability is unchanged. The result? A free point in shadowy veil. Not exactly epic but it's free

Anyone else try this and like it? Still somewhat undecided...

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alkhattabi
04.24.2012 , 05:10 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika View Post
This is a great balance between both specs. Well done.

I would suggest bumping your crit on infil to at least 20%, but this isn't a gamebreaking change and you can remain with your current setup as is.

I tend to favour stupendous crit for Balance, but 30% is all you need in reality.

Accuracy seems to be fine, though I would hang out at 97% to assure safety.

Looks good.
thank you shin

i updated the stats for both spec i guess its slightly better now

balance crit at 35.26% (raplaced 2x power mod / 3x power/surge enhancment with 2xcrit mod/ 3x crit/surge enhancment)
inf/kc crit at 20.50% (Replaced the the bracres to stalker and the belt to force masters)

both accuracy at 96.90% (Replaced power/surge enhancment with power/accuracy)

both spec surge droped to 75.77%

inf/kc:
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...d-3d88ffdf2ab0
Balance:
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...b-1f2ac78380c5

hope these links will help others too

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Xinika
04.25.2012 , 01:06 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by alkhattabi View Post
thank you shin

i updated the stats for both spec i guess its slightly better now

balance crit at 35.26% (raplaced 2x power mod / 3x power/surge enhancment with 2xcrit mod/ 3x crit/surge enhancment)
inf/kc crit at 20.50% (Replaced the the bracres to stalker and the belt to force masters)

both accuracy at 96.90% (Replaced power/surge enhancment with power/accuracy)

both spec surge droped to 75.77%

inf/kc:
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...d-3d88ffdf2ab0
Balance:
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...b-1f2ac78380c5

hope these links will help others too
It will take some time to min/max gear but I'm telling you guys that we have it good this round .
I gained 138+ Power today and went Infil.

5408 crit on a Kinetic Tank.
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Skolops
04.25.2012 , 06:54 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika View Post
It will take some time to min/max gear but I'm telling you guys that we have it good this round .
I gained 138+ Power today and went Infil.

5408 crit on a Kinetic Tank.
How are you getting crits like this? I see them in videos and whatnot and people touting them in forums, but I can never get past at the most 4k w/ relics and even adrenal. I've got full 1.2 BM with purple resolve augments on everything except the lightsaber, a +41 exp crystal in the lightsaber, and the rotation down fairly solidly. Can't even get that high against the PvP dummy.

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roestzwiebel
04.25.2012 , 09:47 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Skolops View Post
How are you getting crits like this? I see them in videos and whatnot and people touting them in forums, but I can never get past at the most 4k w/ relics and even adrenal. I've got full 1.2 BM with purple resolve augments on everything except the lightsaber, a +41 exp crystal in the lightsaber, and the rotation down fairly solidly. Can't even get that high against the PvP dummy.
I'm currently at almost 830 Power (Rakata Stim Buffed), 75% Crit Multiplier, 1533 Willpower and 933 Expertise. Highest Crit so far in this new 1.2 Patch: 6400 with Project. Yesterday I got an 5900 Crit with Force Breach against an T3 (with few T4 Items) Marauder. Burst in infiltration is still very nice But your survivalbility is even worse, too. Especially in Huttball, you will recognize that a 4s CC where you have no break ready is your guaranteed death

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Xinika
04.25.2012 , 10:53 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Skolops View Post
How are you getting crits like this? I see them in videos and whatnot and people touting them in forums, but I can never get past at the most 4k w/ relics and even adrenal. I've got full 1.2 BM with purple resolve augments on everything except the lightsaber, a +41 exp crystal in the lightsaber, and the rotation down fairly solidly. Can't even get that high against the PvP dummy.
This very thread is about how I can achieve that damage.
Here's the link again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Am9ZY8zYX8


Quote: Originally Posted by roestzwiebel View Post
I'm currently at almost 830 Power (Rakata Stim Buffed), 75% Crit Multiplier, 1533 Willpower and 933 Expertise. Highest Crit so far in this new 1.2 Patch: 6400 with Project. Yesterday I got an 5900 Crit with Force Breach against an T3 (with few T4 Items) Marauder. Burst in infiltration is still very nice But your survivalbility is even worse, too. Especially in Huttball, you will recognize that a 4s CC where you have no break ready is your guaranteed death
I can possibly see Infil being slightly more viable due to raw burst damage, but I need more time to see how things play out. As it stands, I'm just constantly doing 4.5-5.4ks without cds. With CDs... well .
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Boozed
04.25.2012 , 11:14 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Boozed View Post
Really enjoy your videos and I've found your advice on specs and stats to be very helpful. A few questions:

1. Are you using orange augmented gear and forgoing set bonuses? If so what augments are you using?
2. I noticed you are either using the expertise adrenal or warzone expertise buffs that spawn in almost all of your fights. What relic(s) are you slotting?
3. You inspired me to switch to balance from Infil and I am loving it! My own hangup is when to activate Force Potency, what do you suggest? Ive been popping my relic+potency before using FiB and then using Project but Im wondering if I should follow FIB with a telekinetic throw while I have potency up. Your thoughts?
I think you missed my earlier post, thanks again for all your info!