The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

That's completely subjective. In my opinion, try as I might, I just could not get into Warcraft lore. Especially when Blizzard kept stomping all over it like it didn't matter.

And I've played a few storylines to 50. I found them every bit as entertaining and memorable as KotOR and ME trilogy.

And what do I like even better? That I can share that story with friends in group settings, seeing how they respond differently than I do in scenarios. Watching them react to my decisions. What other MMO gives you that?!

Agreed. I've played two toons through 50 and two through 40 and one to 30. So far, there is only ever parts of a class story that have any depth, and then it quickly reverts back to nonsensical, overreaching plot arcs. The Sith Inquisitor has to been my least favorite story line overall, so far, but I love my Assassin.

I was responding to a post asking what TOR's special hook is. Storytelling is not, by FAR, the only thing TOR presents us with.

Ummm....

Yea it is. PvP is horrible and dead, end game isn't that great and nearly impossible to get a group for on the majority of servers. Right now this game consists of standing in fleet walking in circles like a sheep on one of your level 50s, or grinding an alt......

I don't say this to start an argument with you, but it is simply the current state of the game and why I unsubscribed.

No counterargument from the fanboy? How typical.

Stick your fingers in your ears screaming "LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU LIGHTSABERS PEWPEWPEPW".

I concede that my opinion is subjective. It would be foolish to act otherwise.

However, I simply can't fathom how anyone could put TOR's storylines on par with Knights of the Old Republic, Mass Effect 1/2 (and most of 3) or the original Dragon Age. At least in Mass Effect 1 and 2, the decisions I made had a tangible impact on the world around me. In TOR, the decisions I make give me a reward and send me on my way feeling like I haven't really done anything.

Hey, I just cleared out all the gang problems on Coruscant!... except if I go back there 20 levels later, the gang problem is still there. To that end, I wonder how much stronger the story telling could have been if Bioware had designed around a system such as phasing (such as what Blizzard uses) rather than static areas with class walls. Either way is a challenge for grouping, but with phasing events I would at least feel like my character made a difference after all of the storylines.

this is not fact i have a good gulid many freinds and have fun playing pvp in the game roaming planets fighting wb
doing fp hm and what i see is a lack of mmo start understanding
the problem is u want somthing else and its not to your liking
games fine subs will gather over time what is needed is no more servers for a year or 2 in the eu and usa areas and over time they will fill economic crisis and all going on ect
as for subs and money coming in they r making more then they expected some servers have issues others dont this is every mmo not all do well people migrate reroal ect this is mmo life
as for single player most of the games content aint single player and its brand new there is more end game content here then any mmo u could name at its start i keep hearing gw but i put money on it the pay to win sys will apply there and i found my self paying way more for games like it then my 15$ a month here
also ive seen clips of it and it might be your cup of tea but to me it just looks lamo yes we lack many thing here we expected but they will come over time in a way that new and not a coppy of games befoure it

Or even created a dynamic environment that changed based off of what players did over a period of time. In your example if enough players completed the quest in a given period of times the gangs moved away to another area. Or if enough players passed it by they would grow in number and further cause problems....

Something to make the world feel alive and not so dead.

Ow there is indeed a need to reply, what makes a car, 4 wheels, an engine and the ability to go backwards forwards and turn around corners. One car having a wankle engine and another having a dohc doesnt make either not a car just different engines, One car having leather and another having cloth interior doesnt make one more of a car then another.

And like MMO's cars that are adapted after purchase evolve over time, they dont stand still and rarly look anything like what they started out as. So a single player game with no updates ever can justifiably be compared to a showroom car that never has anything done to it, an mmo is a different beast, an mmo is and always is being updated and improved upon. They dont stand still and they never stay the same as what they were at launch.

Light/Dark values is just a bar you grind. Your choices don't matter whatsoever as they have no lasting impact on the world around you. So the NPC tells "I hate you" one time and "I love you" the other time, big whoop? Is that supposed to be innovative? Entertaining?