The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

Wrong..You can have up to 4 playing. There is a "Create Public Game" or you can play with friends off your Real ID list.. DId that this weekend..

I have to ask myself why so many people (and this is a general statement, not specifically directed at you) who are "done" with SWTOR are still here griping about it. If you don't plan to come back, if you don't plan to wait for it to develop, if you don't want to sink your money into the "TORtanic," then abandon ship and leave the rest of us to it.

Active playerbase is getting smaller every week - fact. If you will say this is OPINION I will do screenshots of every planet population on most crowded server (what would be point to do this on ghost servers since they're ghost servers already?) EU at peak hours of every day of the week.

They dropped multi-player from Diablo 3 - solo only now, baby.


How true - amazing how every preview and all the hype for every game ever released totes how new and revolutionary the game is going to be, then come release day, it's always just more of what's already out there with maybe one or two neat/different features included.

BJ

Most of my Imperial guild, including my son, have now completely switched over to Tera and will also be playing GW2. They have been playing the betas extensively and like what they see in both. Heck, they already have a Tera guild.

I've played both the D3 Beta and the Tera Beta. Both will appeal to certain types of players. If you liked D2 you will probably like D3 it, to me, is basically D2 with everything improved. Tera will appeal to some FPS types, especially those that like FPS type combat with added features from MMOs (Raids, quests, gear progression, etc). You can even play it with a game controller. Tera is pretty polished, after all in its Korean incarnation it has already been out for a year. GW2 will attract the same kind of players that GW did and maybe a few more.

Point is that all of these new games put pressure on SWTOR and most of the people I know that have left most likely won't be coming back.

So BIO/EA needs to attract new players. Addressing the numerous issues that have been identified will go a long ways to repairing the games reputation and attracting new players.

The one thing I'm not sure they can fix is the feeling of emptiness. It would be nice to see more people sharing space on the worlds and really nice to see more people, say 40 or so, in world or WZ PvP.

Active playerbase is getting smaller every week - fact. If you will say this is OPINION I will do screenshots of every planet population on most crowded server (what would be point to do this on ghost servers since they're ghost servers already?) EU at peak hours of every day of the week.

Most of my Imperial guild, including my son, have now completely switched over to Tera and will also be playing GW2. They have been playing the betas extensively and like what they see in both. Heck, they already have a Tera guild.

I've played both the D3 Beta and the Tera Beta. Both will appeal to certain types of players. If you liked D2 you will probably like D3 it, to me, is basically D2 with everything improved. Tera will appeal to some FPS types, especially those that like FPS type combat with added features from MMOs (Raids, quests, gear progression, etc). You can even play it with a game controller. Tera is pretty polished, after all in its Korean incarnation it has already been out for a year. GW2 will attract the same kind of players that GW did and maybe a few more.

Point is that all of these new games put pressure on SWTOR and most of the people I know that have left most likely won't be coming back.

So BIO/EA needs to attract new players. Addressing the numerous issues that have been identified will go a long ways to repairing the games reputation and attracting new players.

The one thing I'm not sure they can fix is the feeling of emptiness. It would be nice to see more people sharing space on the worlds and really nice to see more people, say 40 or so, in world or WZ PvP.

Well-said.

Fair warning, the following is likely to appear like rambling...

There are two factors to consider with migration of game population: push and pull. Push are the factors that drive people away, be it bugs, queues, lack of content, etc. Pull are the factors that bring players in, like involved customization, tons of fresh content, polished features, etc. With any game competing on the market, the job is managing these push and pull factors so that you net a gain.

Push factors are generally more difficult to manage because they include the pull factors of other games. For example, the Old Republic is generally accepted to have a lacking PvP game at the moment (push factor), but added to that push is that another game has a very good PvP game (that game's pull factor); this compounds the push factor the Old Republic is dealing with. It has to overcome its own deficiency, but also overcome the draw to other games.

So I think the question in this thread is really this: Does the Old Republic do a successful job of managing these push and pull factors in a way that it retains current players as well as entices old players to come back?

Ahh, OK. I stand corrected. When I read they dropped multi-player, I assumed it was completely solo.

BJ

Active playerbase is getting smaller every week - fact. If you will say this is OPINION I will do screenshots of every planet population on most crowded server (what would be point to do this on ghost servers since they're ghost servers already?) EU at peak hours of every day of the week.