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PvP and PvE Armor Design: Why Bioware's Design Aesthetic is Fundamentally Flawed

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PvP and PvE Armor Design: Why Bioware's Design Aesthetic is Fundamentally Flawed

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ZDProletariat
04.21.2012 , 07:41 PM | #31
Fine, you accomplished your mature thread. But it lacked any intelligent argument against the armor except your very subjective opinion.
For the record I'm not a fan of most of the gear either, but your arguments are just abysmal.
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Restepor
04.21.2012 , 07:51 PM | #32
I found the Trooper's armor to look fine, even there level 50 stuff but almost anything on the Republic side just looks out of place.

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Dire-Wolf
04.21.2012 , 07:52 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by TitusVorenus View Post


The upshot of all this is that, for all its fantastical nature, everything in Star Wars is firmly grounded in a form of reality, allowing us to accept them without a second thought because things just look the way they're "supposed" to. We can see ourselves piloting an X-Wing, or running around on a battlefield in stormtrooper armor.
I have to completely disagree with this statement. One of the things I hate most about the Star Wars universe is how everything just feels wrong. The ships, the buildings, everything. None of it feels realistic or like it's "supposed" to look. Star Wars is one of the most unrealistic universes there is and it takes a great deal of willing suspension of disbelief to enjoy it because there's just so much that feels wrong.

On topic of the poor armour design though, I'm sort of on the fence on this one. There are quite a few end game sets that do looks really terrible, particularly on the Republic side. There's also some really horrible sets just floating around the game, but that's to be expected of all MMOs. There are also some really cool looking end game sets and some social gear that is just awesome.

The problem, as I see it, is that BioWare is both constrained with the armour they can design but also has a great deal of freedom. They're constrained with the design of end game combat gear because, going by what's in the movies, Jedi and Sith just stick to robes for the most part, maybe some robotics, and a brown or black colour scheme, Troopers wear plain white armour and Smugglers wear some leather rags. On the other hand BioWare have a lot of freedom because Star Wars is full of a lot of cool outfits that they can turn into social gear. I mean just look at the stuff Padme wears in both the films and The Clone Wars tv show. The thing is those sorts of clothing are better suited to non combat so it makes awesome social gear but wouldn't make much sense as end game pve/pvp gear.

The only thing BioWare can do to try and keep end game gear interesting and still feel like it fits with Star Wars is to try and combine the two things I mentioned above. Have all the gear coloured brown and black and be the traditional robes, cyborg armour and leather rags worn by the characters in the films but combine it with the more stylish flare of civilian clothing and draw inspiration from the fantasy genre, samurai and witches and stuff, that's a major part of the Star Wars universe. This is what they've been doing but so far it hasn't really worked. This is because some of the gear design has just been terrible but also because a lot of fans seem unwilling to accept anything but the traditional robes, plain white armour etc, even though having the Jedi wear samurai looking armour or Sith wear witch/shaman looking gear fits into the lore of the Star Wars universe quite nicely.

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Skolops
04.21.2012 , 09:30 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Dire-Wolf View Post
I have to completely disagree with this statement. One of the things I hate most about the Star Wars universe is how everything just feels wrong. The ships, the buildings, everything. None of it feels realistic or like it's "supposed" to look. Star Wars is one of the most unrealistic universes there is and it takes a great deal of willing suspension of disbelief to enjoy it because there's just so much that feels wrong.
I'd appreciate if you'd explain why you feel this way, because on the surface it just doesn't make sense. Of all science fiction, it looks the most like something I could expect to be reality. It just doesn't make any sense to me that someone could think it looks "wrong."

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On topic of the poor armour design though, I'm sort of on the fence on this one. There are quite a few end game sets that do looks really terrible, particularly on the Republic side. There's also some really horrible sets just floating around the game, but that's to be expected of all MMOs. There are also some really cool looking end game sets and some social gear that is just awesome.

The problem, as I see it, is that BioWare is both constrained with the armour they can design but also has a great deal of freedom. They're constrained with the design of end game combat gear because, going by what's in the movies, Jedi and Sith just stick to robes for the most part, maybe some robotics, and a brown or black colour scheme, Troopers wear plain white armour and Smugglers wear some leather rags. On the other hand BioWare have a lot of freedom because Star Wars is full of a lot of cool outfits that they can turn into social gear. I mean just look at the stuff Padme wears in both the films and The Clone Wars tv show. The thing is those sorts of clothing are better suited to non combat so it makes awesome social gear but wouldn't make much sense as end game pve/pvp gear.

The only thing BioWare can do to try and keep end game gear interesting and still feel like it fits with Star Wars is to try and combine the two things I mentioned above. Have all the gear coloured brown and black and be the traditional robes, cyborg armour and leather rags worn by the characters in the films but combine it with the more stylish flare of civilian clothing and draw inspiration from the fantasy genre, samurai and witches and stuff, that's a major part of the Star Wars universe. This is what they've been doing but so far it hasn't really worked. This is because some of the gear design has just been terrible but also because a lot of fans seem unwilling to accept anything but the traditional robes, plain white armour etc, even though having the Jedi wear samurai looking armour or Sith wear witch/shaman looking gear fits into the lore of the Star Wars universe quite nicely.
This confuses me even more, because one of the big reasons people hate end game gear is because it's basically nothing like what you would expect from Star Wars at all. It doesn't look like they borrowed a thing from the established Star Wars aesthetic, but drew all of their ideas from other places entirely.

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Kaphik
04.21.2012 , 09:33 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by TitusVorenus View Post
We don't believe in the designs because the designs aren't believable.
Have you seen any of the outfits Amidala wore??

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Quantum_Icecube
04.21.2012 , 09:41 PM | #36
Good post OP.

However, Bioware said awhile ago that they were on it. With luck, the next new set (or, alas, the one after it) will bring a return to form. In the meantime, I'm just glad I can transfer the mods from my high-level gear to my hobo robe.

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Kudach
04.21.2012 , 10:12 PM | #37
I do agree I find a lot of the end game gear goofy and not fitting within the starwars universe. (specify the new war hero/black hole gear). But after playing a 50 for so long I've gotten used to the look of my battle master/columi gear. Hopefully I'll be able to get used to my augmented traditional nylite robes when I get the gear to swap the mods into.
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Darka
04.21.2012 , 11:11 PM | #38
Feels less Star Wars, and more Super Heroes

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AuraJurai
04.21.2012 , 11:27 PM | #39
What many people seem to conveniently forget is that Lucas has also said that the Republic has been in decline technologically what is old and rusted 3700 years in the future was brand spanking new then
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04.21.2012 , 11:45 PM | #40
Yeah, id say that its not a good sign when most people would rather use their pre-50 stuff than the end-game stuff... Usually players naturally choose to use the best gear, but i see lvl 50 players using pre-50 gear alot and i can only assume that its because of how the end game gear looks...
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