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Do You want cross server LFG tool?

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Do You want cross server LFG tool?

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pangwl
04.23.2012 , 11:26 AM | #311
No,

But I'd like a auto-queue FPs feature with filters, e.g. check boxes which FPs, hardmode/ normal, and classes you want to go along with.
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Valkirus
04.23.2012 , 11:29 AM | #312
Quote: Originally Posted by mindriot View Post
pvp doesn't need it nearly as bad as pve does. At least in pvp I can Que up for a wz, and go about what I'm doing and wait for the pop, in pve I have to WORK on finding a group on a limited playing time. The thoughts on the game are already molding into "its a leveling alt game" because most mmo players feel that end game needs cross server to be viable, people are not going to go back to burning crusade days of finding groups. A close friend of mine who is a huge fan lot the game has quit because he doesn't have the time to invest in finding a group for an hour, only to have that group fall through and now your back to square one. I feel like the people arguing against this are the types that just have unlimited playtime, and feel their playstyle is the only one that matters.
I agree, but BioWare does not seem to agree with our logic, as they are going to have a cross server LFG tool for PVP, but only same server for PVE. And the points you bring up about your friend are a perfect example of why this game needs a Cross Server LFG tool, for the simple reason the que times to get a grp are going to be a lot less than it will be on the same server. Maybe some have tons of time to play and it is not a issue. But many donot not as RL comes first and they want to ability to login and do some end game or leveling group content without having to stay on for hours.
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uziforyou
04.23.2012 , 11:31 AM | #313
Quote: Originally Posted by BenjaminminU View Post
No.

Crap players can get easier groups ruining everyone elses day without fear of consequences, and good players can't be recruited into guilds since they are on different servers.
Love or loath the idea, the fact is those 'crap players' are the majority of the playerbase. Without them there will be no SWTOR and without some sort of LFG tool they won't hang around.

Not everyone will like it but the lack of an LFG tool is what's causing this game to slowly bleed to death. If you want this game to go the way of the dodo, by all means oppose the institution of such a tool.

P.S. It's not really surprising that the majority of the folks in this thread oppose an LFG tool because the people that tend to read and post in the forums are the same ones that don't have issues finding groups because they're in an active guild, have lots of friends that play the game etc. The 'crap players' referred to above are also the same people that tend to not read the forums or post here and they are the ones that want an LFG tool the most.
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Valkirus
04.23.2012 , 11:36 AM | #314
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
1) Won't help people on dead servers. Over 80% of the servers are in this category. May not even help people on Standard servers. Will help people on the 8% of servers that are Heavy or better. In short, no this won't help.

2) Won't happen any time soon. BioWare will not admit defeat by merging servers earlier in a game's life than any other MMO in history. Admitting defeat being in the eyes of the stock market, which can seriously impact EA's bottom line.

3) Temporary solution at best. Server populations shift over time. What is high today might be low tomorrow, then you're in the same boat.

Please give a concrete example of bad behavior in a community that is driven by X-LFG that does not exist in this game right now.
Exactly..esp number 3. WoW and Rift also tried same server first. That failed and they both went to a cross server one. Which no matter how much you hate it...has been very successful in doing what it is meant to do...get the casual players ( who pay the same sub fee ) into a lot of game content they otherwise would never experence.
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Tifadore
04.23.2012 , 11:45 AM | #315
As the represented player of all casuals in the world, we say yes.

We had a meeting, we all agree on this, thus rendering everyone else saying no obsolite by 10 000 to 1.

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Timesjoke
04.23.2012 , 11:46 AM | #316
Quote: Originally Posted by chimex View Post
No

and again...NO!!!! In other games it has lead to a serious decline in server community. It leads to worse and worse player etiquette and many other negative aspects (exampled above).
Can you offer an example of decline, up to now nobody has been able to offer an example.

Right now there are no runs to have bad behavior in so where is the problem? Player etiquette? Would you not have to get into a run "FIRST"? The problem is there is no possible way for the average player to get into a run, that must be addressed first before we start crying about bad behavior that is not even happening yet.
Quote: Originally Posted by chimex View Post
Instead of jumping on the "X-LFG NAOW" band wagon, wouldnt it make much more sense to try out:
How about we stay in reality instead of spouting a lot of stuff any logical person knows will never happen or would do nothing to actually help the problem of no players available to group with.

In server tools can only look for players on that server, most servers do not have enough people on them to put groups together except for a couple hours of peak use in the evenings. BW will never agree to server merges.....period. Transfers are not a gurantee the new server you switch to will have players wanting to play when you play. Nothing you mention is logical or part of reality.


Quote: Originally Posted by chimex View Post
Also, if you find yourself stuck occasionally to find a group, try building a friends list as you progress, join a guild, start a guild.
Again a complete lack of understanding the problem.

This is not a rare problem, we are not "occasionally" looking for people to play with. In my case we have started a guild trying to recruit during the day when some of us play but there is nobody on the server to recruit and no other guild with members who want to do endgame content during the day.

There is never enough players on my server (leveled enough or willing) to do an 8 man run during the day.
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mindriot
04.23.2012 , 12:02 PM | #317
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Exactly..esp number 3. WoW and Rift also tried same server first. That failed and they both went to a cross server one. Which no matter how much you hate it...has been very successful in doing what it is meant to do...get the casual players ( who pay the same sub fee ) into a lot of game content they otherwise would never experence.
I'm goad you brought this up because I was there for both implementation of same server lfg, and it failed in both games miserably. I hope they don't go this way to "try" and see if it works, it won't. And you've lost more time for people to drop the game. Bioware in my mind has created some very good content, but if ppl don't have the chance to get into it.....this game won't survive, and that's sad because they have something good....but there are a few things the mmo player of 2012 won't do without.
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Lockexxi
04.23.2012 , 12:35 PM | #318
Same server maybe, for the pve tool.

I was a pretty casual player in WoW, all things considered. Played a lot, but didn't get far content-wise. Ran a lot of 5 mans, never really did raids outside of 10 mans due to when I'd get off work. I played a tank and had quite a few people on my friend list just from running Heroics and noticing people that didn't suck (and this was on a low pop pvp server, too). Early Wrath was much the same way, even on non-tank alts. I even got a guild invite with a fresh 80 Warrior tank, when the group initially thought I was undergeared (think I was a few points off the defense cap, even), after showing I had a reasonable ability to play the class.

Post LFG tool? I don't think I added anyone to my friend's list and I certainly didn't add anyone to it during my time playing Cata beyond like... one guildmate's alt which doesn't really count. Made the game feel a bit more lonely... and I quit before Firelands - wasn't even around for the impact of LFR. Met some cool people in lfg, like some pally tank that aced all but one achievement in a single run.... but never saw the player again so it didn't really matter. If SWTOR uses a cross server lfg tool, I may as well just go play WoW - they've had longer to add little tidbits to their game world to make it more interesting to run around in. Well, more realistically I'd likely find something that's less of a wowclone.


Haven't pvp'd enough in MMOs to really say if cross server pvp is a good idea or not, though it's probably needed if they're going to split the pvp population with ranked wzs. I started doing 50 pvp on one of the most populated servers post 1.2 (waited for recruit gear) and I'm already recognizing many of the same people from day to day - both teammate and opposing team. Can only imagine what it's like on lower populated servers.

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Gydlock
04.23.2012 , 12:36 PM | #319
Cross Realm. No.
Server LFG. Yes.
Auto transport to FP through dungeon finder. Yes.
Realm transfer options and merging.. Yes.

Cross Realm ruined WoW for me. There is no accountability in a cross realm group.
Single Realm allows more of a chance to group with the same people again (build community relations) and use your ignore feature to avoid bad players.
The common complaint is that queues are slow on a single server. Typically they're slow cause there aren't enough healers and tanks. I'll tell you from my own experience that tanking in a cross realm dungeon can be intimidating if you're still learning or aren't a super geared phenom player. I think if everyone practiced a little more patience in dungeons and didn't assume that every run will be full throttle, hammer down, cake walk... maybe more players would try and learn the tank or healer role.

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Kaedian
04.23.2012 , 12:38 PM | #320
No.

Cross server WZ, yes.

Cross server FP/OP/LFG, no.

No control server by server of donkey-hattery.

Naturally this is not an issue in pvp /grin
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