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Do You want cross server LFG tool?

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Do You want cross server LFG tool?

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kevlarto
04.23.2012 , 10:11 AM | #291
there are pros and cons

the good, finding groups, getting to do the content, and in pvp warzones pop quick, we can get rid of the republic on republic pvp, that just makes the story of the voidstar just out of place, Huttball is ok with it. I would like to get back to more Republic vs Imperials kinda stuff, lets put the WARS back into Star WARS..

Cons

people rolling on everything they don't need, people acting like Ahats..breaks down the local community a bit. But mmo's these days community is not as strong as it used to be.

For me I don't care one way or the other, if it enchances my game play I am all for it. I just hope the good out weighs the bad.
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Jhayden
04.23.2012 , 10:11 AM | #292
i will say yes, but then again, i havent experienced it like others have, so if we can have some checks and balances in place. i would really be alot more confident in it, but overall i say yes because right now there are alot of servers out there that just dont have enough people doing the flashpoint and ops content.

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Redshirtricky
04.23.2012 , 10:15 AM | #293
The sheer amount of "holier than thou" commentaries in this thread is why I love surfing the interwebs on lunchbreak.

I for one can see the disadvantages of a x-server LFG tool, as well as its advantages.

People would be less inclined to roll "need" on things they just want out of greed when the people they're playing with is on their server. Why? There's such a thing as server reputation. Particularly on the republic side, population numbers are low enough that people can remember you and what YOU did.

That's not the case with x-server. Ninja and be a douche to your heart's content and you probably won't see those people again. Who cares if they blacklist you? You're now in a pool of tens / hundreds of thousands of people!

Now the advantages of a x-server tool is equally obvious. Those playing on low pop servers can now get people to run things at a reasonable wait time (if you're a dps, obviously you're still going to wait a while).

It just amazes me how people can quickly demonize the opposing side to their argument. Chill out and remember that the other guy is probably a reasonable human being.

Who am I kidding, it's the interwebs. Feel free to spew more pontificating madness. I still have 20 mins for lunch.

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chaosdefined
04.23.2012 , 10:15 AM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by kevlarto View Post
people rolling on everything they don't need, people acting like Ahats..
The unfortunate truth is that is currently happening right now in the game. I've already ran a few lower level Flashpoints in which we had people rolling need on everything (because BW allows them to) and only the group leader can kick them...which sucks if they happen to be the leader!

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Nyoro
04.23.2012 , 10:15 AM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by Glock_ View Post
Yes,

I do wonder why so many people see it as a bad thing.
My experiences with pugs are pretty much the same, no matter if they are cross server or just server bound. Usealy you get a group that can do the content. Sometimes it takes a bit of effort of the more seasoned players in the pugs to guide the rest, but its still doable. And sometimes you get a group thats weak, slacking or has some abusive players in it. But those are pretty rare imo.

Whats against it?
If you dont like pugs then dont pug, and group with friends or guildies.

I really dont understand the kind of fundamentalism going on in these kinds of topics
It's some kind of crazy logic that makes sense to some people but not most others. They argue that x-server LFG tools "ruin" server community when in actuality they bring more people to the server by making the game more accessable, thus creating a bigger and more vibrant community.

The only difference between doing a cross server LFG dungeon and a regular dungeon run is that if the cross server one falls apart, you haven't wasted hours and it wont take hours to get into another one.
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Phyreblade
04.23.2012 , 10:17 AM | #296
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
So basically "I don't want it therefore nobody else should have it. My gaming experience is more important than anyones."

Right?
Right back atcha! So basically "I want it so therefore everybody else should just shut up and take it. My gaming experience is more important than anyone's."

If you have a problem understanding why *I* may have issues with cross-server LFG tools, read back through the thread. My issues are similar to those shared by numerous others, as I said.
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DarthTHC
04.23.2012 , 10:17 AM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by kevlarto View Post
there are pros and cons

the good, finding groups, getting to do the content, and in pvp warzones pop quick, we can get rid of the republic on republic pvp, that just makes the story of the voidstar just out of place, Huttball is ok with it. I would like to get back to more Republic vs Imperials kinda stuff, lets put the WARS back into Star WARS..

Cons

people rolling on everything they don't need, people acting like Ahats..breaks down the local community a bit. But mmo's these days community is not as strong as it used to be.

For me I don't care one way or the other, if it enchances my game play I am all for it. I just hope the good out weighs the bad.
Today, people can and do roll need on stuff they don't need (by my definition). BioWare's definition of "need" is all the way down to "need the credits". This happens without any LFG tool now and based on BioWare's definition it can and should continue to happen.

People act like Ahats today. Did you know that a group leader can remove anyone else from the group at any time, just by clicking the mouse a couple times? Did you know that you get the completion quest for most flashpoints right at the end of the flashpoint, AFTER the final boss fight? Do you know what happens if the group leader kicks you out of the group after the last boss fight but before the event that finishes the flashpoint? You get to find a group again and do the flashpoint again. The current system supports far, far more A-hattery than a system that requires vote-kick such as a well implemented LFG system.

I have yet to see a coherent argument about how X-LFG breaks down community. I have seen arguments about how community in MMOs can be "bad", but those are not directly attributable to X-LFG and happen quite frequently in this game, today.

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solnar_xan
04.23.2012 , 10:21 AM | #298
Quote: Originally Posted by Darianth View Post
Yea but it should be where you still have to walk to the entrance. Not where you are teleported in.
Not trying to be insulting or anything like that, but how exactly would that work and why would it matter? All the flash points (for the most part) are 3 feet from each other and they all are on the fleet...

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chaosdefined
04.23.2012 , 10:24 AM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by Phyreblade View Post
Right back atcha! So basically "I want it so therefore everybody else should just shut up and take it. My gaming experience is more important than anyone's."

If you have a problem understanding why *I* may have issues with cross-server LFG tools, read back through the thread. My issues are similar to those shared by numerous others, as I said.
Oh contraire! I fully support the option of being able to choose yourself whether you queue Single Server or Cross Server. What I feel is the best compromise to please as many people as possible.
That way you can use it for Cross Server if you're on a low pop. Single Server if you like keeping community. Or not at all if you just don't want to!

And I've read all the 'issues', which were mostly crying and tantrums about some big nasty meanie who stole their shiny loot. Sorry but I don't believe everyone should be punished because of the actions of a minority.

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Datku
04.23.2012 , 10:25 AM | #300
Yes to cross server Flashpoint LFG tool. Leveling alts is really painful now. Feel sorry for new players because it's almost impossible to find a group to run normal flashpoints (even HM flashpoints at 50). Heroic 4 quests? Good luck best to just abandon them when you pick them up. Had an alt on Nar Shada and from the minute I landed on the planet I was lfg for any of them. I ended up finishing up all the other quest on Nar Shada over a couple days and never once got a group for any of the heroic 4's. This means if you want to level up an alt you have to do all solo quests, maybe solo queue PvP, space missions for exp. Personally I like playing in a group. I love running the flashpoints. They are group activities, and even though I have done every flash point over and over before they are a set block of time/objectives to complete that are fun to do and way to meet others.

Sure the anti-LFG people will say get people from your guild to run FP, have your friends roll alts with you and run FP etc. Populations are fading, guilds are getting smaller or endgame level, there just isn't much left. My sniper is now 38. Has only ran BT several times, athiss once, and Cademinu once been trying to find group for BP/Foundry for weeks now and no luck. My PT (now 30) has done BT about 4 times and not been able to group for any others. My Marauder has done BT 3 times and now can not even find people to do it let alone any other FP's.

Sure questing is good but when you have been there done that a few times (not to mention I was in beta so I did all the quests several times after each wipe), questing only gets boring. As other say its a single player game at this point. Not what a MMO is supposed to be. I prefer to group and not being able to find groups has reduced my interest in playing my alts and since my main is fully geared already I am starting to fall into the trend of logging in after resets each week to run guild ops then logging out till next week reset. Not sure how much longer I will follow that trend before I just quit logging in at all and find something else. Times are a bit dangerous to be put in that situation with other MMO/online mode games about to release in a couple months.
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