Why do fresh 50's have the same gear as me

lol?

Go "earn" your war hero gear now. You have a head start.

No, im saying that the gear is an advantage that is attainable by everyone. And to not take advantage of that advantage is "not smart" (cause i cant say "idiotic"). Just because someone people cant obtain the gear as fast as others doesnt mean that its not available to them, they just have to put in comparable time as the others.

-fuzz

And you forget that there maybe new level 50's who find getting smashed over and over for gear is not fun. Isn't a game supposted to be fun? MMO's of the past are a thing of the past, people don't want to have to grind for weeks in order to have anything to show for it, I'm one of these people. MMO's need to evolve, I've already did the gear grind multiple times in other games, I'm getting kinda sick of it.

Quite possibly correct about my definition of the word competitive. But, to take a real world sports example... Boxing.

The competition is to see which person has the better skill, stamina and boxing technique. That is the competition. It isn't simply about who is left standing at the end, although I'll fully admit that "winning" the match is a big part of it.

So, we get into the boxing ring. Very quickly you have the advantage. Why? Because you have an 'exploit'. You have a metal horseshoe in your glove. It suddenly is no longer about skill, stamina and technique. It is just about how many times you can hit me with a piece of metal before I drop. Where is the contest in it? Sure, you 'won' the match, but you didn't do it through skill, you did it by cheating.

Being clever and outthinking your opponent is a good way to win. Using exploits that aren't meant to be there isn't because it doesn't demonstrate the skill required to get a true victory. I'd quite like to see what would happen during a CoD match where all these exploits were removed, so that it did come down to just skill on skill. I'd still totally have my *** handed to me, since I suck whenever someone gets close to me (Sniping FTW lol), but it would be a better match because it is more honest.

Your descriptions of those who do not agree with your assessment, not just myself, are those which portray the "other" as being beneath you and filled with negative connotations which attempt to undermine and demean.

It is not a matter of "perceiving" insult where there is none. It doesn't exactly take a genius to see the pattern and identify its purpose.

Yes, let's "whip them out and compare." How quaint.

You need a lot of commendations to get the gear. You only get those commendations through PvP so they DID do the work.

Are you serious? Making sure my team isn't loaded down with level 10-49 zero expertise noobs is catering to casuals? Facing off against a team that had zero 50s is about the least hard core thing I could think of. People like you aren't interested in good PvP, you just want to crush bad/under geared players. I'm going to guess you're the kind of guy that gets more enjoyment out of a 6-0 blow out win in huttball rather then the 4-3 well played on both sides loss. If I had the choice between going 50/50 in close well played games or never losing again in noncompetitive blow outs I would take the 50/50 with no regrets.

With respect, then it sounds like you are burnt out on MMO's. There are still many people who like the grind (for whatever it is) and want to continue doing so.

Truthfully, I suppose it comes down to how one defines fun, and no one will be able to agree or disagree on it. For me, if pvp becomes too simple, like Gears of War or Halo (I exclude COD, as they seem to have a level progression in that now.) then I wonder why I don't go play one of those games. I believe the MMO genre is generally for those who want to commit some time and thought to their game

But that is my definition of fun, and I won't assume it's everyone's.

Hey, here's a wake up call : Game IS bleeding subs as of right now. EA is firing people and losing value because of this game's poor performance. Most complaints have been from casual players wanting to have fun at end game, with their lvl 50 toons. I'm sorry to say that, but with the amount of I and me and my you have in your post, it looks like you're a pretty selfish person, thinking only about yourself, not giving a fuss about other subscribers that think in some other way.

Right now, the end game consists of
1) grinding PvE flashpoints and Ops for PvE only gear.
2) grinding warzones or Ilum (well, not really) to gain PvP gear.
3) chasing datacrons to maximise your character stats.

I'm standing between your stance and the 'all equal gear in pvP' stance. I think we both need a gear progression, but not really to gain an overwhelming advantage over fresh 50s. Right now it's about fine, imo. BM is much better than recruit, but kind of easy to get. WH is only slightly better than BM. I don't think they will ever remove gear progression, no matter how casuals whine.

I don't think telling us your competitive gamer background brings anything to the actual discussion. It just further discredits yourself and paint yourself in the corner of 'elitist gamers' who think the game is fine because you like it like that, wich is completely and utterly absurd. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought the game and unsubbed, because they found aspects of the game not appealing to them (huge gear gap being mentionned often as a reason why a lot of them leave). Think outside the box for a second, and look at other games that didn't do well because of gear imbalances. I can name two, that had huge potential and failed miserably : DCUO and WAR. What they changed in 1.2 is an improvement, imo, and having the chance to get 2 pcs BM and recruit gear as a fresh 50 makes players potentially have a lot more fun playing with an undergeared toon, and if you spend more time playing you'll obviously get teh WH gear much faster anyways, so you'll have your slight advantage.

But seriously, stop with the Me myself and I think it's allright. I personnaly am ok with gear grinds in MMOs, but I can understand why other people think it's not. As I said, gear gaps only creates frustration for a lot of players. Think of others a little bit. If they drop sub, you'll have no one to fight after a while, see Warhammer for evidence.

A metal horseshoe in the glove is cheating. Exploiting a weakness of your enemy is not necessarily cheating. You are purposely confusing the 2 to try to prove your point and you are still wrong.

The "exploits" that were removed in COD like the grenade toss at the begining of a sab match was removed because bads couldn't stop running into the same spot to die repeatedly. It wasn't cheating. It was taking advantage of terrible players. Unfortunately there are more terrible players than their are good players. So for the sake of the community they removed it.