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Why do fresh 50's have the same gear as me

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Why do fresh 50's have the same gear as me

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DarkDruidSS
04.19.2012 , 09:14 AM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Syylara View Post
Like I said earlier, good luck with this mentality once rated WZs hit.

I prefer to tie up the stronger opponents so that they will be taken out of commission, killing a weak player doesn't inflict as much damage on the enemy team as killing a strong one. Over the long-term, I will be a better player for it and that helps my team in a larger, more strategic sense.
You have merits to your strategy, but like the one Fuzz is talking about it is also situational. You don't want to spend the whole match hunting weak targets. That isn't his point. Just like there are points in a WZ were not killing an enemy is more beneficial than killing them. In rated you will see the same behavor, but all the highest ranked teams will be better at it.

It's all strategy in the end.
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dazednconfuzed
04.19.2012 , 09:16 AM | #152
Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzDONTEVENTRIP View Post
Im simply saying i dont need to know the #s to know how to play my class and be good.
-fuzz
No you're not. You are saying that you need the best gear to be good. At least that is what it looks like from your complaints about people getting the same level gear as you.
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dazednconfuzed
04.19.2012 , 09:17 AM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by Bloodtau View Post
Good. The games don't need people like that. The whiny baddies will be whittled out and the people left are the ones who actually want a dramatic change in the MMo genre.

MMo's have simply become grind to max level as quick as possible, then grind gear for pointless reasons to people these days. Those type of people are chocking and dumbing down the entire genre.
Well said Sir.
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DarkDruidSS
04.19.2012 , 09:17 AM | #154
Quote: Originally Posted by dazednconfuzed View Post
I don't get it. This could be funny the first time or two you did it, but it takes away all sense of competition in the game, so why would you continue to do it? You are not proving you are the better player, just that you know an exploit or two.

It is much the same with PvP in TOR. You have the top gear, but that doesn't make you the better PvP'er. It just means your stats are better suited to PvP, so you have a better chance of winning.

Could someone please explain how having better gear/exploits than your opponent makes for good PvP? I don't see good PvP as PvP you always win at. I see good PvP as a fun time for everyone, where everyone has a chance of winning.
OK here is the thing many people can't get out of their heads. There is no honor in PvP. It's do or die. If you can use a trick on the same person to win 100% of the time you will. Internal rules only limit yourself. As long as you are not breaking game rules or using hacks/exploits then all is fair in love and war.

The goal is to win. No prove to yourself that you can win in your own perceived notion of what is fair or not.
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Syylara
04.19.2012 , 09:17 AM | #155
Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzDONTEVENTRIP View Post
But at the end of the day. I still have better gear than you. A) because i play a lot more and B) because i understand my role in my team composition. Crunch all the numbers you want.
When have I ever stated what my level of gear was to begin with?

You just presume yours is better, apparently. That reveals a lot.

Having better gear has nothing to do with whether or not you understand your role in your team composition or not, I'm baffled at how you connect those two concepts together like that.

Your having better gear than me or not doesn't really prove anything, by the way. This is merely a chest-thumping pronouncement to make you feel better about yourself.

Congratulations on your fantastic virtual accomplishments!

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If you dont see my COD analogy then thats fine. You still think im insulting you? My gosh man. Grow a spine please. Welcome to the internet.

-fuzz
"Grow a spine" is just another emotionally-charged impotent outburst.

I'm not exactly weeping in a corner over your attacks, obviously. I only point them out because it is generally understood that if the only way you have to make your point is to engage in vitriolic rhetoric you must not have any factual ground to stand on.
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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 09:19 AM | #156
Quote: Originally Posted by dazednconfuzed View Post
I don't get it. This could be funny the first time or two you did it, but it takes away all sense of competition in the game, so why would you continue to do it? You are not proving you are the better player, just that you know an exploit or two.

It is much the same with PvP in TOR. You have the top gear, but that doesn't make you the better PvP'er. It just means your stats are better suited to PvP, so you have a better chance of winning.

Could someone please explain how having better gear/exploits than your opponent makes for good PvP? I don't see good PvP as PvP you always win at. I see good PvP as a fun time for everyone, where everyone has a chance of winning.
Exploiting exploits to give you the advantage DOES make you the better player if youre the one still alive. A dead player =/= useful. Every FPS game has its exploits and EVERY competitive team with whore it out to its fullest extent to get some advantage over the opposing team. If theres a short cut to a point you need to take you, you take it. If theres a wall you can shoot through thats a known spot to get easy kills, you shoot it. If theres a nade spam location of known player routes, you throw it. Someone who doesnt take advantage of exploits or advantages is at a disadvantage and therefore the situation has been turned to the exploiters favor. No one will EVER complain about this because thats how competitive video games work. If its in the game, you use it PERIOD. If youre not using it, its your choice.

I think the difference is our version of "competitive". Competitive isnt primarily meant to be "fun" its meant for winning. Youre not supposed to care about your opposing teams chances of winning or how they feel about you winning. You just win.

I think your definition is more of a casual players definition. You just play to have fun and winning is a secondary goal for you (which is fine).

-fuzz

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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 09:21 AM | #157
Quote: Originally Posted by Syylara View Post
"Grow a spine" is just another emotionally-charged impotent outburst.

I'm not exactly weeping in a corner over your attacks, obviously. I only point them out because it is generally understood that if the only way you have to make your point is to engage in vitriolic rhetoric you must not have any factual ground to stand on.
I hope you know im really not trying to insult you... youre just perceiving everything i say as an insult. Why? I dont know.

-fuzz

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fuzzDONTEVENTRIP
04.19.2012 , 09:23 AM | #158
Quote: Originally Posted by Syylara View Post
When have I ever stated what my level of gear was to begin with?

You just presume yours is better, apparently. That reveals a lot.

Having better gear has nothing to do with whether or not you understand your role in your team composition or not, I'm baffled at how you connect those two concepts together like that.

Your having better gear than me or not doesn't really prove anything, by the way. This is merely a chest-thumping pronouncement to make you feel better about yourself.

Congratulations on your fantastic virtual accomplishments!
Well, then tell me what you have and we can compare.

Ive already explained how my tactics benefit my team. You just choose to curl up in your defense bubble and ignore what i have been saying. Take it how you want.

-fuzz

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Darth_Philar
04.19.2012 , 09:25 AM | #159
Defending a gear system is exactly like defending your unnecessarily large pickup truck... you need it to compensate for your area of lack.

Having better gear means you don't have to perform and can rely on your gear to do the work for you.
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Doomsdaycomes
04.19.2012 , 09:25 AM | #160
I personally, agree with pvp gear, and that it should take longer than a few days to get top gear (Time shortened by *actually* winning). I fully understand why so many BM players from pre 1.2 are annoyed, because alot of people forget those people went through the time and work to get their gear.

Uneven gear might damage competition... if all you do is 1 vs 1 someone. Pvp at the moment is -objective- based, and you don't need the "best" gear tp win an objective game.

An example of this can be found in the 10-49 bracket (hear me out before screaming 10-49 doesn't count):

I think everyone can agree that a level 20 against a level 40, even with bolster, is not a fair fight. Yet teams of level 20's have beaten teams of 40's before. They have worse quality gear (missing some half the time), less skills, less talent points, and they can do it.

Therefore, in the 50's bracket, an undergeared person can still win a warzone against better geared players.

Now for my own pet peeve;

MMO's are not like a pick up game. You don't load into a match like Halo, or Gears of War, and then start fighting (if this was the case, you would start the game as level 50 with all skills bought and pre-geared).

Gear has been part of MMO's forever. Gear is the pre-planning part of Pvp (just like build, rotations, strategies in a premade) etc... One more news flash... Expertise, like everything else, has a soft cap. I don't remember the number off the top of my head. You don't need to be running around in full Warhero to be effective, but you do need to *plan* your gear out.

Buy a few pieces of BM pieces with comms saved pre-50, get some decent relics, run an instance (omg, there's 75% more content to this game then 4 wz's and 3 sets of end game gear?) get beat on a few times post 50 for a few more BM pieces. You can swap set bonuses to customizable gear that can crit when crafting for an additional augment slot, which is another way to plan out your gear. Then when you face some one (or another team) in PvP, it will be your "skill in combat+pre-game strategy" vs theirs, like an MMO (imo) should be.

Please don't whine you can't "compete" cause of a "gear gap" if you've done little to close that gear gap.

(For a final piece of information, I've just rerolled on a new server after having 3 50's, and am not one of those "people hiding behind their gear," as I have none yet. I'm in the middle of planning and building mine.)