Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

Guard, stuns, cc's, snares.

Actually, I have a problem that assassins have a larger toolkit than guards by far AND STILL have vastly superior dps. I don't mind that a tank can kill someone. I mind that juggs/guardians can't, and assassins can AND assassins get heal streams, stealth and a cc with no cd.

So because i have made a valid point and you have no clear counter to it. You want to tak ea liberal stance and just hide behind you do nto care about my opinion. Love it keep following that train of thought.

Would tanks doing low damage impact PVE? Are tanks taken to Ops because they are blowign bosses up? No they are taken to HOLD AGGRO that leads me to think the intended purpose of a tank is to generate threat not blow things up.

Your idea is a tank shoudl be able to blow things up and survive for ever at the same time. So please gatehr a real counter arguement to what I posted. Those posts were nto by me they were by actual people playing Shadows both DPS and tanks.

Eh, I reread what I had written and tried to make it a little less confrontational, but looks like you beat my edit. /shrug

My idea is that a tank should be able to do enough damage to make the class feel FUN. 350 DPS at 50 is not really that. No, I'm not saying they need to do insane damage, but they DO need to do enough damage to at least make them feel worth playing for people.

This is still a game, in the end.

I don't know if you noticed, but I'm rather vocal. I don't need to "hide behind" anything. Doing a quarter of the dps of every other class is just ridiculous, considering even HEALERS can put out a lot more DPS than that.

As for "no counter", I noticed you didn't mention anything about how your proposed change would cause them to perform in PvP, which is what this thread (and forum) is about. How do you think 350 DPS is going to translate to PvP for tanks, hmm?

Think they'll be able to kill anything like that? Keep in mind that 350 DPS is what a lv25 character can pull.

Yes.

Lets pretend like the only PvP at the moment is warzones. Imagine in some crazy way there are other people besides yourself in their. It might even be an 8v8 Balanced match.

Lets pretend like in organized PvP each class has a role. If a Shadow or Assassin tank is giving your team trouble. Its like this thing called...

FOCUS FIRE


Its incredible what it can do. Its like your hardswitching from the Healer to the Tank and MELTING him and his squishy self.

Don't join a rateds team. Team JOKE rz may not be up to the challenge if your just going to duel people all day in there.

So because i have made a valid point and you have no clear counter to it. You want to tak ea liberal stance and just hide behind you do nto care about my opinion. Love it keep following that train of thought.

Would tanks doing low damage impact PVE? Are tanks taken to Ops because they are blowign bosses up? No they are taken to HOLD AGGRO that leads me to think the intended purpose of a tank is to generate threat not blow things up.

Your idea is a tank shoudl be able to blow things up and survive for ever at the same time. So please gatehr a real counter arguement to what I posted. Those posts were nto by me they were by actual people playing Shadows both DPS and tanks.

My numbers of reducign the **** out of tank and not just shaod or sin damage is by making thier tanking abilities have more of an effect on PVP. while cutting thier damage thier surviveability would sky rocket at the same time. I am not say just cut thier damage. I am a firm believer if you cut one place you should put in some where and for PVP things should work liek a triangle and have 3 extreems. Damage, Control and survivability. Each class shoudl be high at a far point and no where close to the other points. So tanks would be at end of Survivability but low on control and even lower on Damage. A healer would be high on Control low on survivability and even lower on damage. DPS would be high on Damage, low on Control and even lower on survivability.

Now you could tailor the oval in the triangle based on the different abilities of each different advanced class and would keep everythign from becoming a cookie cutter. I think that would force rated teams to bring a mix witht them and would make PVP more fun for all involved.

Oh, my bad. I thought it had to proc to be uninterruptable.

Ok, so you're saying the counter to sin tanks is to have 2-3 DPSers focus fire them. Do you not see anything wrong with that?

Any class can be countered by focus fire. You don't think 1vs1 matter in PvP and you couldn't be more wrong. If a class cannot be countered by any other class with everything else being equal, it means that in order to capture an objective being guarded by said class, you will need to dedicate two of your team members, which will put you at a disadvantage somewhere else. I guarantee you if I'm guarding a turret on my sin tank, you will need at least two players to take it away from me, three if said players aren't very good, and that's if no reinforcements arrive. Why? Because my sin can destroy any class in a 1vs1. This means that the rest of my team will be outnumbering yours everywhere else because you had to dedicate 2-3 players just to take me down.

I know from seeing you in WZs that you are not a very good sin tank, so send me a PM and I'll be more than glad to share a couple of tips with you. Who knows, you might even realize just how good sin tanks are in team PvP.

FINALLY PROOF THESE PEOPLE ARE CLUELESS


Please do detail how you interrupt Powertech Tracer Missiles. I'd love to hear your counter. While we are at it... lets actually counter the right class with Railshot/Flame burst etc etc.


Assassins and Shadows are easy to counter.

Soft Counters:
1) CC their TKT/Shock
2) Staying out of melee decreases their burst, and after 15M you limit them to practically nothing but CC and tickle dps.
3) Snare
4) Root
5) DoT to prevent Vanish

Hard Counters:
Sorc DPS
Powertech DPS
Operative DPS


A Sorc should EASILY be able to outkite. And there